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Todays news they are dropping petrol tax and running a road user charge system
One wonders what process they will have for recording the initial mileage for this
One wonders how many will scream what about cyclists
One wonders how many speedos will come on the market for those who may want to fiddle with readings.
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Um. . . How much petrol tax are cyclists currently using?
(Asking for a friend).
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Disincentivices people moving to Diesil and Electric cars.
That said. Fast forward 20 years. What % of the fleet on the road will be Electric? What if none of them payed for road upkeep?
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No8 Wire Extraordinaire
". . . based on distance and weight"
Um actually this makes sense. MC are of little weight but are comparably fuel inefficient for their weight.
Damage goes up maybe not exponentially, but a lot for how heavy you are. So a truck causes significant damage. A bicycle none.
The whole article made good sense.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360...-vehicles-2027
I'm scared.
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He's the only one I've got.
Bevelhead Dinosaur
And so you should be....Originally Posted by F5 Dave
". . . based on distance and weight"
I'm scared.
From today's Otago Daily Times
"The current RUC system is outdated. It's largely paper based, means people have to constantly monitor their odometers, and requires people to buy RUC in 1000km chunks," Bishop said.
"We're not going to shift millions of drivers from a simple system at the pump to queues at retailers. So, instead of expanding a clunky government system,
we will reform the rules to allow the market to deliver innovative, user-friendly services for drivers."
Yeah Right!
Jobs for our Mates you mean.
Plus added opportunity for ongoing corruption.
Not to mention the surveillance.
There are only about three or four players in the market.
They'll be loving this all the way to the Bank and DataCenter
Would you trust a Bishop?
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=mjc=
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Embracing mediocrity
And boom, 1235 comments on a stuff article in less than half a day, nothing gets people going like the perception that it might cost them more to run their car.
There is some logic to this, in that the road tax you are charged for your vehicle should be reflective of it's effect on infrastructure.
If it is going to be equitable then there probably needs to be more distinction between light vehicles, with diesels presently I believe a 1000kg hatchback pays the same as a 3000kg large SUV, which seem a little distorted.
It's sort of implied that the vehicles they are really going after are the small hybrids which don't pay RUC but have stupidly good fuel economy, so there is presumably a corresponding reduction in tax revenue as their numbers increase.
For most other vehicles the fuel usage is likely to roughly track with weight with maybe a bit of variation where there are different engine options, but if the weight is the same the road tax should be the same, if you choose a bigger engine you've already decided to spend more on fuel but why should you be punished further with extra tax as well.
Riding cheap crappy old bikes badly since 1987
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"channellling the Pleideans"
Royal Ulster Constabulary can get fucked.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
"channellling the Pleideans"
This absolutely
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Hate to say I told you so (across multiple threads) but here we are.
At least mowing the lawns, motocross and boating will be cheaper ;p
IÂ’d expect some form of digital drivers licence to be not far away either. Likely a small device will mount in your vehicle or operate via a phone app.
The bad thing is high speed runs are prob over. Eroad systems on trucks automatically email employers any instances of over speed.And also insurance companies will prob have access under guise of evidence collection. Most of these device also support a black box data record option also.
The best thing is Labour/Greens wonÂ’t be able to slap new taxes on fuel to pay for unfulfilled promises as public will go nuts.
Vehicle theft should be curtailed as all vehicles will be relocated at any time. This should have implications for other crime fighting tasks. If gang members thought patch ban was bad then wait til they get load of this.
The real beauty is itÂ’s a big reaming for all the smug virtue signalling EV owners who took a hand out from our tax dollars are now going to pay price for buying a heavier than needed vehicle. Ranger drivers be crying to as like diesel RUC it will be based on max weight capacity not actual weight.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Forum whore
EVs are already paying RUC. And the comment about minimum threshold on diesels is correct.All diesels pay the same rate from 0 to 3500kg .That put me off buying a 1.4 diesel many moons ago. RUC for EVs and light diesels is nearly 8 c a kilometre
My wife has a Toyota yaris hybrid. The bloody thing does 70-80 mpg (3.33-3.8 l per 100ks) She pays no RUC whereas PHEV vehicles do at approx 5 c a kilometer and pay fuel tax ..There is a loophole.
I dont know how they will do this as the current RUc system is a manual one. Its up to you to keep track of the mileage and to purchase the RUC online or at a VTNZ.Conversely there is no real means to keep track of RUC for the authorities,unless you happen to have a chat at a traffic stop.
I suspect this may be recorded at WOF time
The RUC takes a big chunk of change, ie you have to shell out nearly 800 bucks to buy 10000 ks of RUC(you save a small ammount on "admin").There will be a number of people who wont be able to purchase 10000 ks as they dont have any spare cash.
Rasta Ratskins
They have already introduced RUC in retrospect on EV's, so they are likely to be aware of many potential problems in putting a new system in place. Is it going to make my motorbike cheaper to run? Can't imagine it being cheaper for anyone. The RUC's will balance it out and is ALL tax being removed at the pump? I know that sounds cynical but history shows….
Only a Rat can win a Rat Race!
Forum whore
Most people don't have to ask for a friend. They just have them.
"channellling the Pleideans"
I feel so smug when I ride past you in your 4WD seething, dropping pie innards all over your lap while you try to text your bookie on your iPhone 4. I am saving the planet and you need to pull a $20 out of your wallet and give it to me as I ride past, like those dudes on the TdF with the water bottles. Thank you, we appreciate you.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
"channellling the Pleideans"
It will still have GST in it which is 15% on top. So thats fun.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
I used to occasionally drive a 4WD drovy up at dad's batch where it was kept for fishing. Had a holdem 202 in it, whatever that is. Didn't like going much over 50mph, which is the quaint measurement of speed it used.
Was easier to get to the hot pools than fussing with leathers there so we parked up for the night and took that.
Where were you? Could have been one of the constant bumps. Lights were courtesy of Joe Lucas so . . ,
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