Charged with Dangerous Driving - You got to be kiddin me?

**Racey Rider** · 28th October 2005, 12:45

Sorry your having to go through this Funkyfly.

There is some Great info in this thread. Stuff that people will want to refer to later when they need to use it.

But theres also, once again, a lot of offtopic crap!

How about a Mod delete all the unnessary insults (etc), so we have a good thread to refer back too. (yes, this one too)

**Funkyfly** · 28th October 2005, 20:40

Originally Posted by marty

so Funk dude - what's the update?

Still waiting on disclosure to arrive, i have also requested a copy on the Police Pursuit Policy under the official information act.

**marty** · 28th October 2005, 21:44

Originally Posted by Funkyfly

Still waiting on disclosure to arrive, i have also requested a copy on the Police Pursuit Policy under the official information act.

ui hope you're not waiting for disclosure til you make your appeal - the appeal time is 5 days. get your appeal in ASAP - just make it on your knowledge as you see it. make the 5-0 make their submissions. STOP WAITING. GET ON WITH IT.

**nadroj** · 10th November 2005, 12:04

I had a talk to a Waikato Highway Patrol contact re your problem. He's not high enough up the ladder to do anything unfortunately but made the following comment re the alledged officer... He returned from a few days holiday and produced a list of 5 offenders he intended to send tickets to for misdemenours he noted while on holiday. If he's this well known from within for being such an arsehole then he deserves being stood up to. Good luck

**Swoop** · 10th November 2005, 13:25

Can someone please clarify the speed-readout on the police radars for me?
If a cop shows the readout speed, where is the readout for the exact TIME and DATE that this reading was taken??? (i.e. EVIDENCE)...
Without this info there seems to be no proof that the radar speed hadn't been recorded at an earlier time and simply held on screen... until one of us gets to see it??

Also get a digital camera equipped mobile phone and collect your own evidence (copcar with bike attached after ramming maneuver, etc, etc.)

My 2 cents.

**oldrider** · 10th November 2005, 13:52

It sounds like the old Union ploy, if you want 10% demand 30% and everybody is then happy with lesser of the evils.
In this case go for dangerous driving and the rider accepts the lesser charge of speeding willingly.
Perhaps some of the police are becoming thinkers as well as stinkers!
Reference only to the stinkers among them. They know who they are!

Cheers John.

**geoffm** · 10th November 2005, 13:52

Originally Posted by Swoop

Can someone please clarify the speed-readout on the police radars for me?
If a cop shows the readout speed, where is the readout for the exact TIME and DATE that this reading was taken??? (i.e. EVIDENCE)...
Without this info there seems to be no proof that the radar speed hadn't been recorded at an earlier time and simply held on screen... until one of us gets to see it??

The cops don't need evidence. They don't even need a radar reading - and laser is easier to fake anyway, since all it does is measure distance. Stick it out the window at the appropriate speed, aim at passing sign, and pull trigger.
Basically, unless you are really lucky, you are screwed. the cops have never been known to lie or make mistakes. Banish that thought now...
If I had my way, all cop cars would have built in video hooked up to the radar, then they would actually have to provide some evidence.

**Lou Girardin** · 10th November 2005, 14:03

Originally Posted by Swoop

Can someone please clarify the speed-readout on the police radars for me?
If a cop shows the readout speed, where is the readout for the exact TIME and DATE that this reading was taken??? (i.e. EVIDENCE)...
Without this info there seems to be no proof that the radar speed hadn't been recorded at an earlier time and simply held on screen... until one of us gets to see it??

Also get a digital camera equipped mobile phone and collect your own evidence (copcar with bike attached after ramming maneuver, etc, etc.)

My 2 cents.

No speed detection device, other than cameras, records time and date.

To be fair, I doubt that any cop does what geoffm suggests. A more common problem is cops using the equipment incorrectly and booking drivers for offences not committed. Then there's the exagerrated speeds they reach during pursuit.

**marty** · 10th November 2005, 14:41

i recall one day a guy defended a 128km ticket. now as 'luck' would have it, the 2 tickets either side of his ticket, were also for 128km/h. he didn't know that when he defended it, and i didn't realise it until his lawyer asked for the 2 tickets either side of his clients. bizzare huh? anyhows, there was about a 2 hour window when these 5 tickets were written, but the thing that got me the conviction, was that my patrol speed (recorded on the back of the office copy) had been different on 3 of the 5 occasions - it is common to patrol at 80-85km/h, not a very big speed window - makes it easier to slow and u-turn. like lou says, cops like the one who has written you up have got better things to do than drive round with a speed on their radar waiting for a likely suspect - there's plenty of speeders out there without having to resort to that.

so what haoppened with the appeal?

**speights_bud** · 10th November 2005, 20:05

Originally Posted by geoffm

The cops don't need evidence. They don't even need a radar reading - and laser is easier to fake anyway, since all it does is measure distance. Stick it out the window at the appropriate speed, aim at passing sign, and pull trigger.

Well looks like our little corrupt coppa would have to pull himself up then waouldnt he? after all aren't they fining people for driving while using phones etc? im sure setting up a radar gun and pointing it out the window is no different??

**marty** · 10th November 2005, 20:32

Originally Posted by geoffm

The cops don't need evidence. They don't even need a radar reading - and laser is easier to fake anyway, since all it does is measure distance. Stick it out the window at the appropriate speed, aim at passing sign, and pull trigger.
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you can do the same thing with the stalker set in stationary mode.

**zeRax** · 10th November 2005, 21:06

tricks of the trade eh.

**2much** · 10th November 2005, 21:21

Originally Posted by R1Aaron

yeah when I was between jobs I thought about being a copper, then I found out what the pay was, I wouldnt get out of bed for that!!!

Hey, I thought about it too! But I was put off by the surgery you have to undergo. Apparently they have to have a glass window installed in their naval cause their heads are so far up their arse's they need it to see where they're going!!!!

**boomer** · 10th November 2005, 21:34

Originally Posted by 2much

Hey, I thought about it too! But I was put off by the surgery you have to undergo. Apparently they have to have a glass window installed in their naval cause their heads are so far up their arse's they need it to see where they're going!!!!

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