Failing to stop USA style

[bugjuice]

It's against the law to speed! If your caught speeding you will be chased!

If man dies as a result off that, then its your fault!! ie. if you weren't speeding and doing a runner then it wouldn't have happened....

Now there's whole lot of if, buts and maybe's, but at the end of the day it's a public road and it's against the law to speed!!

Good job, lock him up and throw away the key!!

yes, it's against the law to speed and flea police, but it's the chasing officer who decides when enough is enough. All walks of life - you live for the next day, not go at it at all costs. That's what helicopters are for, and the US has squillions of them. Plus radio backup for rolling road blocks etc, which would be pretty useless against a bike. Choppers are pretty much the only way to stop the chase by letting the biker think they got away with it, so they slow down. When they stop, the cops will get him/her then.

If the bike hadn't have been speeding, then the chase wouldn't have happened, very true, and I completely agree. But, it is down to the officer to call it off. It's been demonstrated in every country where the law has been chasing, and there's been a huge crash. They are taught to call it off for their safety and the publics'. He carried on at his own risk, not the bikers. As terrible as it is, the biker shouldn't have to take the flack for this.

[Smorg]

It's against the law to speed! If your caught speeding you will be chased!

If man dies as a result off that, then its your fault!! ie. if you weren't speeding and doing a runner then it wouldn't have happened....

Now there's whole lot of if, buts and maybe's, but at the end of the day it's a public road and it's against the law to speed!!

Good job, lock him up and throw away the key!!

Dont be such a penis! "If" for arguments sake say you were going for a ride with your mate and he was behind you as you took a corner..............he hits a diesel patch slides in front of an oncoming car and dies, would you think it was fair if his family blamed you for going on a ride with him that day???? Or would it be the right thing to say it was his decision on the day? Same thing with the cop it was his decision to give chase not the guys on the bike. I'm not try to justify the fact that he was doing a runner, just that he should be charged with what was his fault. An accidents an accident whether a cops involved or not

[Biff]

Cause and effect.
What caused the cop to speed? A speeding biker
Effect? The cop died

Using this basic logic it's difficult to say that the biker isn't guilty. He (the biker) was speeding. He knew the cop would chase him. He knew that speeding was dangerous. He knew someone could get killed.

A nasty verdict, a sad story - but what kind of message would letting the biker off send out?

[Matt Bleck]

Dont be such a penis! "If" for arguments sake say you were going for a ride with your mate and he was behind you as you took a corner..............he hits a diesel patch slides in front of an oncoming car and dies, would you think it was fair if his family blamed you for going on a ride with him that day???? Or would it be the right thing to say it was his decision on the day? Same thing with the cop it was his decision to give chase not the guys on the bike. I'm not try to justify the fact that he was doing a runner, just that he should be charged with what was his fault. An accidents an accident whether a cops involved or not

Thats different, no law broken there...wasn't doing a runner....

[bugjuice]

Cause and effect.
What caused the cop to speed? A speeding biker
Effect? The cop died

Using this basic logic it's difficult to say that the biker isn't guilty. He (the biker) was speeding. He knew the cop would chase him. He knew that speeding was dangerous. He knew someone could get killed.

A nasty verdict, a sad story - but what kind of message would letting the biker off send out?

but the cop manual clearly says (somewhere) that if it's endangouring lives or safety including their own, they must swich off sirens and lights, and discontinue the chase ASAP. Exactly to avoid stuff like this happening. And that's also why they have helicopters, to make it safer for ground units so they don't have to put themselves on the line in a senseless chase. They could have let him go, and just catch him another day. Yeah, he broke the law and needs to be punished, but no one needs to die over doing it.

[Smorg]

Thats different, no law broken there...wasn't doing a runner....

Its not the runner i was talking about,i said he should be charged for that. Its the fact that he is being charged for the policeman's death. We appear to be going round in circles with this

[Matt Bleck]

Its not the runner i was talking about,i said he should be charged for that. Its the fact that he is being charged for the policeman's death. We appear to be going round in circles with this

Yes I'm getting dizzy...

All I'm trying to say is that if he wasn't speeding, the cop would not have died....

Now I understand that he (the cop) could have, and should have called of the chase, BUT if the motorcyclist had of stopped it would not of happened, instead HE made the choice to carry on, endangering him, the cop and every one else who has the RIGHT to use the road.

[Colapop]

Its not the runner i was talking about,i said he should be charged for that. Its the fact that he is being charged for the policeman's death. We appear to be going round in circles with this

It can't but go round in circles. Both parties, the copper and the biker, were at fault. Unfortunately the officer got died but the biker got done. The guy gives a bad rep to bikers (probably wearing shorts and jandals too) and the killed himself while doing his job. I notice though, that there were no supporters in court for the biker.

[bugjuice]

Yes I'm getting dizzy...

All I'm trying to say is that if he wasn't speeding, the cop would not have died....

Now I understand that he (the cop) could have, and should have called of the chase, BUT if the motorcyclist had of stopped it would not of happened, instead HE made the choice to carry on, endangering him, the cop and every one else who has the RIGHT to use the road.

The biker and the cop both have the right to stop the chase. Both have the choice to carry on, or abandon it (with different end results, granted). Neither of them exercised their right to stop. It's their own decision to do that, no one elses. The control room could have even told the cop to break the chase off. Would it still be 'the bikers fault' then?

[Matt Bleck]

The cop was doing his job......

[Smorg]

The cop was doing his job......

But not correctly

[bugjuice]

The cop was doing his job......

which has strong guidelines set out, so s/he can continue with their career without injury

[Matt Bleck]

so then that makes it right does it?

[Matt Bleck]

it seems to easy to avoid responsabilty these days...

[bugjuice]

makes what right?

if anything, it's far from it. It's a job, not a kamikazi force. If it's beyond the guidelines set out to continue with the chance, they must give it up. Doesn't matter what they're chasing. Just so happens to be a bike this time. I bet, if you went back thru all the chases where a cop has been unfortunately killed during a highspeed chase, how many of the crims have been charged with the cops death?

It's not about responsibility in this case. It's about being wrongly accused of doing something he had no control over. Yes, he had control over running or not, but he had no control over the officer chasing him, nor his bloody tyre blowing out! If you want responsibility for it, look at who decided to keep on with the chase. Look at who trainined the HP for high speed chases. Look at who manufactured the car. Look at the mechanics who maintain the car. Look at the tyre manufacturer. Look at the tyre conditions. Those are direct influences on the outcome. Not what he was chasing.