Turning Right into a road with vehicles waiting to turn right

**pyrocam** · 28th October 2005, 20:00

well legally speaking. you give way to the people waiting to turn right who are on your right. but its commonly known that it hardly ever happens.

I've saw the other day some cage honking at another cage because they were letting the driver on his right go. since I saw that and I dont like cagers I always (well 90% of the time) let them go first now. although saying that im never assuming I have right of way and going even though I would win in court or whatever, (maybe I can pedal the RGV out infront of some cars and get it writen off) Anyways. after doing this for a couple months I noticed some cagers actually waited at their position thinking I would go. even with feet on the ground and arms folded just to run my point home. I actually had to hand signal someone to go after 3 gaps in the traffic while they looked at me. gah!

anyway. answer the poll.

**Magua** · 28th October 2005, 20:06

I've never had this problem, not once I think. Odd.

**MacD** · 28th October 2005, 20:27

Originally Posted by pyrocam

well legally speaking. you give way to the people waiting to turn right who are on your right. but its commonly known that it hardly ever happens.

I presume you mean two cars turning right at an uncontrolled intersection as in the attached picture?

If you don't obey that one I hope you watch out for Motu and his Pajero!

**Waylander** · 28th October 2005, 20:45

I let them go unless I have someone comming behind me who is going straigh as per the law. Never been cut off or nearly hit for that. It's other things that get me worried. I never trust stop signs or expect peaple to turn down the correct side of a median barrier if it'll save them a few seconds off thier trip...

**dhunt** · 28th October 2005, 21:27

Originally Posted by pyrocam

well legally speaking. you give way to the people waiting to turn right who are on your right. but its commonly known that it hardly ever happens.

I've saw the other day some cage honking at another cage because they were letting the driver on his right go. since I saw that and I dont like cagers I always (well 90% of the time) let them go first now. although saying that im never assuming I have right of way and going even though I would win in court or whatever, (maybe I can pedal the RGV out infront of some cars and get it writen off) Anyways. after doing this for a couple months I noticed some cagers actually waited at their position thinking I would go. even with feet on the ground and arms folded just to run my point home. I actually had to hand signal someone to go after 3 gaps in the traffic while they looked at me. gah!

anyway. answer the poll.

Personally I give way to anything bigger than me. This rule is one of those gray rules where it is not always clear when and where to practice it and I think often causes more confusion than help. Therefore I follow the first rule and try and not get hit.

**Motu** · 28th October 2005, 21:43

Originally Posted by MacD

I presume you mean two cars turning right at an uncontrolled intersection as in the attached picture?

If you don't obey that one I hope you watch out for Motu and his Pajero!

That's the exact intersection where I got hit in the Pajero a couple of weeks ago - but it has a give way sign.The red car ran straight into the side of my blue Pajero as I came around.But it used to be an uncontroled intersection,and as I use it many times a day used to get sick of trying to get the red car to go first,as they have right of way.In the end I gave up and just treated it as a controled intersection - and one day got severly revved up a driving instructor.He was right of course.Finaly they put a Give Way sign up - people just don't know an uncontrolled intersection exists.

**thealmightytaco** · 28th October 2005, 22:02

Yeah I didn't come across one of these intersections till just a few years ago, and by then you're so used to there being a give way there it's just not second nature. More used to it now but I still gotta go a bit slow and think about it a couple times.

**zooter** · 28th October 2005, 22:38

i'm wih Motu, except when I was doing my licence test and I had to stop and wave for an extended period.

**Warren** · 28th October 2005, 23:00

I think some people get confused as most of these T -intersections have a giveway sign but not all do. I had some old lady acclerate nearly missing me when I was turning right into a side street and I put my indicators on as late as I could as well.

**Drum** · 28th October 2005, 23:08

This is a pretty stupid situation, because if youre turning right into the side street not only do you have to look out for oncoming vehicles, but you have to determine what control (i.e. signs and markings) the other driver has to obey - ludicrous - and too much for the average human brain. By the way, the only reason intersections are uncontrolled like this is due to laziness/ cheapness by the road controlling authority.

Same rules apply at exits from shopping centres etc.

**Warren** · 28th October 2005, 23:24

I have a feeling that this scenero is more common, where the person with the right of way gets their path blocked by the person that does not have right of way.

The second illustration shows what happens when people follow the road code.

**MacD** · 29th October 2005, 07:41

Originally Posted by dhunt

Personally I give way to anything bigger than me. This rule is one of those gray rules where it is not always clear when and where to practice it and I think often causes more confusion than help. Therefore I follow the first rule and try and not get hit.

You do realise you're training drivers not to give way to bikes by doing this!? I understand the sentiment but I'd rather not be the next rider that the driver comes across ("But officer the other bike gave way to me!?")

Seriously, the rule is when turning, give way to your right. It's not even a complex rule. The whole thing about major/minor roads and right-of-way was removed in 1977 or so.

On the other hand, I suspect that any uncontrolled intersections in urban areas are a bad idea as they are now so uncommon that people just adopt the headless chicken approach to driving when confronted with them.

**Magua** · 29th October 2005, 08:16

Originally Posted by MacD

I presume you mean two cars turning right at an uncontrolled intersection as in the attached picture?

Ok in this senario, no one ever gives way. I think I've had one person give way to me at the bottom of my street. I'm not sure if I should try it as been t boned by someone who doens't know the road rules doens't sound like much fun to me.

**Jeremy** · 29th October 2005, 08:25

Just bring along some white paint with you and whenever you come accross intersections like this, turn them into give ways :P

**pyrocam** · 29th October 2005, 09:12

Originally Posted by Jeremy

Just bring along some white paint with you and whenever you come accross intersections like this, turn them into give ways :P

but hang on a tick when two people are both at a position to give way, then the you remove all the signs and follow the give way rules?

Vehicles leaving the path of the centre line are said to be turning. Therefore, the give way rules apply.

When turning right at an intersection, you must give way to: all right-turning vehicles coming from your right

but its early in the morning. I guess the giveway sign beats no giveway sign even if they are oblidged to giveway. hmmm. should put it down to a match of paper-scissors-rock

damn. I lose I guess