How good are the older thou's??

**WINJA** · 31st October 2005, 18:04

ANY EARLY ZZR1100 IS GOOD GREM , HIGHER KS ARE STILL RELIABLE AND FAST AND EASY TO WORK ON

**justsomeguy** · 31st October 2005, 18:04

Originally Posted by Gremlin

what, on the exemption?? Need to get bike back tomorrow, book test, get someone to photograph me on the bike, showing how ridiculously small it is, sit test, put in exemption detailing all the reasons and then wait.

yeah, the RF900 is another I have seen. Apparently the km model is unrestricted, mile one is (not to mention having to deal with miles) so that is one thing I have to look at, but their price is also a little high. Sorta depends if the right bike comes along, at the right price kinda thing.

See if Pyro still has his old bike - that would be the best to take a pic on.

**Gremlin** · 31st October 2005, 18:13

As a side, when does a bike become heavy?? I like a nippy bike, but the older thou's like cbr or the zzr1100 (good idea Winja) are heavier for obvious reasons.

Was going to go off and look at stats, but not much point unless I know approximately what is heavy... 200kg??

The zzr1100 is about 230, same with the cbr...

**WINJA** · 31st October 2005, 18:20

Originally Posted by Gremlin

As a side, when does a bike become heavy?? I like a nippy bike, but the older thou's like cbr or the zzr1100 (good idea Winja) are heavier for obvious reasons.

Was going to go off and look at stats, but not much point unless I know approximately what is heavy... 200kg??

The zzr1100 is about 230, same with the cbr...

THE CBR IS A SACK OF SHIT WHEN YOUR COMPARING EARLIER ZZRS AND CBR , THE ZZR CAN STILL TURN WELL IF YOU PLAY ROUND WITH THEM , LIKE RAISE THE BACK OR DROP THE FRONT , ALSO THE ZZR RESPONDS WELL TO TUNING , LIKE A 4 TO 1 ZORST AND AN IGNITION ADVANCER.
WHEN COMPARING BIKES YOU NEED TO ADD YOUR OWN WEIGHT TO BOTH BIKES WET WEIGHT THEN CHECK OUT THE DIFFERENCE AS A PERCENTAGE.

**RiderInBlack** · 31st October 2005, 18:21

OK, mech down falls of "Roxanne" the CBR1000FL:

Rotten collector boxs. The orginal down pipes and collector box on these bikes trap water in the box. This leads to them rotting out. Check this cearfully if you are looking at one of these. I've replaced "Roxanne's" at great exspence (see "Roxanne's" Stripping For Winter), but that was cheaper than buying the orginal part and ending up with the same problem

Fu*ken camchain and camchain tensioner. They wear out in 30000-60000Km. Exspenive to replace cause it's a task and a half getting the chain out, and you should replace both the chain and tensioner together (IMHO). I've had that problem (see "Roxanne's" Stripping For Winter).

Starter/alternator chain. Some have this problem. @ over 80000Km, it is possible that "Roxanne" might just be starting to have this.

Fairings that are older than 10 years and have been out in the Sun. Most fully faired bikes of "Roxanne's" age will have this problem. The plastic gets brittle and cracks easily even if you don't drop them. Learn plastic welding, get fibreglass fairing, or go naked or newer.

**Bonez** · 31st October 2005, 18:23

Originally Posted by Gremlin

As a side, when does a bike become heavy?? I like a nippy bike, but the older thou's like cbr or the zzr1100 (good idea Winja) are heavier for obvious reasons.

Was going to go off and look at stats, but not much point unless I know approximately what is heavy... 200kg??

The zzr1100 is about 230, same with the cbr...

Heavy is relative. I'm 6' , weigh 65kgs and ride a 550ish lb 1980s 750. It commutes and handles quite well. 90s thous should be better, ie power to weight ratio etc. Go for a ride on a few. Be carefull though or you'll end up in deep shit. It's a BIG step up from your current bike but is totally possible with the right frame of mind. Have a look at the sight I posted. There's a few owner reveiws on quite a number of bikes.

**cowpoos** · 31st October 2005, 18:33

have a look into zxr750's...or if u have enough coin zx7r...great bikes....very confidence inspiring handling I've been told...lots of them in wreakers so parts cheap...

**Gremlin** · 31st October 2005, 18:36

yeah, I was wondering about weight being relative, discounted it, but then I guess at 6'3, and 100kg, I assume too much. Figured that in heavy traffic a heavy bike is a heavy bike...

On the power front, I'm certainly not looking at modern 600-1000, too expensive and definitely quick.

I figure old 1000 (early 90), or newer (mid 90) 600ish would be reasonably similar (weight and technology leveling the field)?? But both would definitely be faster than the zzr, but its a matter of control. When I started on the zzr, it was smoothly rolling on the throttle, then realised that just opening it didn't make a difference.

Moving up will mean the resumption of smoothly rolling on and off the throttle. Shouldn't be too much of a problem. Really hoping to get some more power off the line (although it will mean more tyres) as at the moment even a fast take off (leaving the cars for dead) is a yawn waiting for the bike to respond. Biggest is power out of an uphill tight corner without chopping down 3-4 gears (not kidding)

**kro** · 31st October 2005, 19:32

Dude, that YZF would be a beast of a bike, very very under-rated machine in its time that kinda came in being when everyone was going 900cc, and kinda missed its hey day.

**cowboyz** · 31st October 2005, 19:37

I went from a ninja 250 to my current gsx600. Loving it. The throttle control took a couple of kms to get used to. I used to open the throttle on the little ninja and leave it there. Cornering was pretty much lying the bike down and getting on the throttle early and (don't get me wrong, I loved the bike) but it just didn't have the power to get into trouble. When I first started riding the 600 I found myself doing 150 everywhere because it just didn't seem like it. Had a couple of moments where I got on the throttle a bit much a bit early and had the bike twisting under me reminding me that the ground is very hard but I haven't dropped it yet.

I went for the 600 cause it options in my budget at the time were either the gsx or an older GPZ1000 which was really heavy. The 600 felt heavy when I am pushing it around or backing it up but riding it seems extremely light. This was my main reason for going with the 600 instead of the 1000.

**RiderInBlack** · 31st October 2005, 19:49

Riding the VFR750 after my little GSXR250 was about the same as you Cowboyz. Nearly got a RF900, but found it weighty after the GSXR250 and way too exspencive. The VFR750 was a very good move for me as the extra weight and power was not that hard to get used to. When I first looked at getting a CBR1000F, I found the power and weight difference quite marked from the VFR750. Made me glad I hadn't tried going straight to the 1000 (or the RF900) from the 250.

**WINJA** · 31st October 2005, 19:56

GSXR 750 T OR V ARE ALSO GREAT BIKES AT A REASONABLE PRICE. THATS 96 AND 97

**Unit:Me** · 31st October 2005, 19:59

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

If it's speed and hoon handling power then look @ bike models with lot's of R's in their names.

Sound advise I say, very technical (like I would know). Mine has lots of sssssssss's, whats with that? Yea, I know, back to my corner...

**T.I.E** · 31st October 2005, 20:12

i went from a ninja 250 to a 94 Cbr1000f i made the big jump. i took a 2000 cbr600rr for a spin and that was insane. i'm 6ft weight over 100kgs.
it didn't take long to adjust to the 1000 for me. smooth even power. and yep it weighs alot but i have never had a problem throwing it around in traffic during rush hour. turning a problem it maybe but it's nothing i didn't get used too.
i have never looked back except for the rear suspension. i'm not light and put a pillion on the back and it was not too healthy but it handled.
it's no race bike, but it aint slow either. and i have to say for a long haul it has to be one of the most comfortable bikes out there.
commuting 7.5/10
long haul 9.5/10
its not a race bike. but it still has some get up and gone in it.