Pulled over

**marty** · 14th November 2005, 10:30

like smoking cannabis?
like domestic assault? or any assault for that matter..
like shoplifting?
like drink driving?

**spudchucka** · 14th November 2005, 11:51

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

So perhaps a law widely disregarded is a bad law.

Who said anything about disregarding it?

The post was about cops alegedly booking people based on false readouts from a vehicle that had been stopped earlier.

There will always be speed limits, there will always be people that think they are too high or too low and there will always be people that bitch about them on the internet.

**Lou Girardin** · 14th November 2005, 14:34

Spud, you said that there's plenty of people speeding. Hence my post.

Apart from the dope smoking Marty, would there be more than 300,000 prosecutions of the other three offences each year?
Combined even.

**marty** · 14th November 2005, 15:47

i was just talking about widely disregarded laws, like you were. not about numbers.

**spudchucka** · 15th November 2005, 04:56

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Spud, you said that there's plenty of people speeding. Hence my post.

As Marty stated, other laws are widely ignored too, even theft, burglary, assault and robbery are widely ignored by certain sectors of the community. There were 223,713 recorded dishonesty offences in the year ending 30 June 2005. Not quite the 300,000 Lou but it seems to be pretty widely ignored too.

There were only 14,654 cannabis related offences recorded in the same year. With a 91% resolution rate it would be safe to assume that most of those offences were prosecutions or warnings for possession of small quantities.

I bet if you talked to burglars they would think there was nothing really wrong with what they are doing either, after all thats why people have insurance, isn't it?

**marty** · 15th November 2005, 07:21

thanks spud - i knew the 41/42/43 numbers were pretty high. they're probably bad laws though

**Lou Girardin** · 15th November 2005, 07:23

Originally Posted by marty

i was just talking about widely disregarded laws, like you were. not about numbers.

The law I referred to is more widely disregarded than yours. So there

**Lou Girardin** · 15th November 2005, 07:24

Originally Posted by spudchucka

As Marty stated, other laws are widely ignored too, even theft, burglary, assault and robbery are widely ignored by certain sectors of the community. There were 223,713 recorded dishonesty offences in the year ending 30 June 2005. Not quite the 300,000 Lou but it seems to be pretty widely ignored too.

There were only 14,654 cannabis related offences recorded in the same year. With a 91% resolution rate it would be safe to assume that most of those offences were prosecutions or warnings for possession of small quantities.

I bet if you talked to burglars they would think there was nothing really wrong with what they are doing either, after all thats why people have insurance, isn't it?

Sorry Spud. No cigar.

**spudchucka** · 15th November 2005, 07:31

Originally Posted by marty

thanks spud - i knew the 41/42/43 numbers were pretty high. they're probably bad laws though

Yeah, must be seeing as they are so widely ignored!

**marty** · 15th November 2005, 07:45

Lou wins the award for most obstinate tosser today, and it's obly 0843am!

**Lou Girardin** · 15th November 2005, 10:15

Originally Posted by marty

Lou wins the award for most obstinate tosser today, and it's obly 0843am!

I accept your concession.
We'll meet again at the next argument.

**Swoop** · 15th November 2005, 10:26

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

So perhaps a law widely disregarded is a bad law.

There is a quote (trying to track down originator) that went something like "Laws are made for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men".
It appears this is so in our society today. We have so many rules that either supersede other rules, haven't been revoked, are drafted as replacements, etc, etc. Leaky buildings are a classic case - "lets make lots of new rules" simply because of bad design+bad building practices +++ pathetic inspection by councils.
Less rules please, but make them common sense ones!

**Lou Girardin** · 15th November 2005, 10:52

Originally Posted by Swoop

There is a quote (trying to track down originator) that went something like "Laws are made for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men".
It appears this is so in our society today. We have so many rules that either supersede other rules, haven't been revoked, are drafted as replacements, etc, etc. Leaky buildings are a classic case - "lets make lots of new rules" simply because of bad design+bad building practices +++ pathetic inspection by councils.
Less rules please, but make them common sense ones!

Can't agree more. But we are cursed with populist pollies and clueless Police "Managers" who's response to every issue is "we need a new law". The driving while distracted proposal is the latest nonsense. Then there's the 'boy racer' laws being used indiscriminately.
But, if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.
Until they make what you're doing wrong, that is.

**Divot** · 15th November 2005, 12:45

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Can't agree more. But we are cursed with populist pollies and clueless Police "Managers" who's response to every issue is "we need a new law". The driving while distracted proposal is the latest nonsense. Then there's the 'boy racer' laws being used indiscriminately.
But, if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.
Until they make what you're doing wrong, that is.

Dont forget the LTSA who make most of the laws that the police are require to enforce.