KBers being assholes at trackdays?

[White trash]

Sorry usually don't get involved but i am moderatley pissed so gonna put my 2c worth in..

I have come to notice that "stunts" has become the next hot topic of conversation on this forum. Particularly when not to do them etc etc. And from what i gather...
1) people get pissed off when you do them on the road
2) people get pissed off when you do them on the track

So you can hate me you can love me but get over yourselves. If it is not endangering anyone then don't comment. Don't lump all KB's into one set cause they aint and if you are a true KB;er I would think that you would stick up for the site and point this out to anyone who speaks out against them in that manner.....

As for stunts well I have said my peace somewhere else on the forum. FzerozeroT I'm sure you're a nice guy and all but please if someone else gets f**ked off with stunting and they decide to walk away that's thier tough sh*t. If they think it's wrong complain, not that much would come of it on an open day, then that is there business.......

Feck it i'm off to bed got a lot of dangerous irresponsible behaviour to do tomorrow...

Sorry, Aff-man, but wheelies and stoppies in the pit lane (down by the garages) at Puke is dangerous. There's a 30 kay speed limit there for a reason. So unless you're doing wheelies at less than 30 kays, I'd advise ya not to do them there.

[White trash]

Nope, not really. I'm a lazy, skinny, wife-beater with mongrel dogs and a two-stroke, doesn't get any worse than that.

Really? Me too. You shoould came over to my trailer one day and well watch Nascar and get liquered up.

[loosebruce]

My 2 cents:

I've been to the track a fair bit, and i've seen some scary shit at all of them, to be honest the puke days that are held reguarly really are testing days for racers and the likes, not reall the time or place for noobs to be out, sorry but thats the way it is, Jared Love turned up one year to run some tests on his blade and ended up leaving because the track was so crowded by people just out there having a go, again nothing wrong with it, but it's best left to motobike days when there are groups slow, medium, fast, race etc. 5 abreast into the hairpin at puke is a joke and dangerous, with all sorts of riders out there, insanity, like barreling down the back straight at 300kph on the K3, lining up the pass on someone doing 160kph flatout, they change direction to where you're intended to go and all of a sudden, someone doing 130 odd kph, is where you need to go, trust me a K3 is a handful to change direction quickly at that speed.
Really when you look at it, a noob sharing the track with someone of J. loves pace, i dont blame him for packing up. I am surprised that they havent turned around and said race bikes only on these days, i'm sure it's supposed to be, it is at manfeild the only reason i got out there is cause i said the my bike was destined to be a race bike, and i found myslef on the track with Shaun Harris, Sheriffs and co, little outta my depth, but i'm hardly wobbling around like it was my first time out on a track.

It's good seeing people want to get out on the track, it is a really top way to build confidence and riding skill, but you should leave it for track days aimed at this, like frosty's taupo day and the ones many clubs run at various tracks round the country.

As for stunting in the pit lane, not cool, as WT said, 30kph limit is there for a damn good reason, admitly i did a stoppie once, but it was a stop-ie not a rolling job, wheelies on the track, yea i do em, i try my hardest to make sure i wont get in anyones way first, and plus a K3 on the back wheel still hauls along fairly well.

[aff-man]

Sorry, Aff-man, but wheelies and stoppies in the pit lane (down by the garages) at Puke is dangerous. There's a 30 kay speed limit there for a reason. So unless you're doing wheelies at less than 30 kays, I'd advise ya not to do them there.

Ahhh sorry thought you meant going out (by the start line thingy). Yeh going fast past those garages could be lethal ....

I'll crawl back into my hole now.

[White trash]

I'll crawl back into my hole now.

Good. It's where you belong you ugly little bugger.

[Hoon]

Thats exactly why I started this thread, because someone felt threatened enough on an open-day to leave the track, I don't have a problem with the stunting in pit lane, but others may (looks like frosty does so you'd better give him a bailing instead) and if you are going to associate that with KiwiBiker or help get me booted off the track then I get pissed.

Yes you are right to bring this to everyones attention. We all need to understand that when we wear the KB logo or affiliate ourselves with KB in any way, we are representing every single KB member out there.

It's no defence to say nah you can't lump us all together or judge the whole based on the behaviour of a few or try distance yourself from the culprits in anyway, unfortunately thats not the way things work in the world we live in. If one cop screws up, all cops look bad. If an All Black on tour gets into a fight on the piss, they all pay the price. If a kiwi were to be convicted overseas of rape and murder, we'd all feel the shame.
It's pointless to try to explain this away amongst ourselves when it has no effect on how others see us. The only thing that can change peoples perception of KB is how we present ourselves in public and as responsible members we have to make an effort to avoid actions that may bring Kiwibiker into disrepute - the same responsibilities that come with representing any organisation really.

[Logic]

Bloody tomatoes.

[Phenoix]

My 2 cents is that each to there own.
Stoppies in the pit is way to dangoures.
But when you check round (For other poeple, esp cops ) and do it, its fine.
Being a realtive newbi, I've found KB to be a great bunch of people. tho deffinatly not a bunch of old crusier riders
The rides vary and it makes life interesting. Always helpful tho

[FROSTY:Me]

For the record--I have NO problem with wheelies and stoppies.
Its all about time and place.
As an aside issue-if we get enough bikes at the open track sessions.--Then we could hit gary up for a Fast and slow session for bikes--It might solve a lot of the issues we are raising here.

Oh hey ferrozzo- You weren't in trouble for crashing at Taupo mate
But -hey here we go -what woulda happened if that wheelie thing was uncontroled?--You'da been trying to get outa the way of 2 thundering bikes on one wheel

[Unit:Me]

Besides as mentioned before this is not a club. KB is a group of people with something in common...

That all happen to know how to chat to each other on the net and orgainise getting together, multi-skilled! There will always be someone who's a dick, and someone who will complain :slap:

[SixPackBack]

My 2 cents:

I've been to the track a fair bit, and I've seen some scary shit at all of them, to be honest the puke days that are held regularly really are testing days for racers and the likes, not reall the time or place for noobs to be out, sorry but thats the way it is, Jared Love turned up one year to run some tests on his blade and ended up leaving because the track was so crowded by people just out there having a go, again nothing wrong with it, but it's best left to motobike days when there are groups slow, medium, fast, race etc. 5 abreast into the hairpin at puke is a joke and dangerous, with all sorts of riders out there, insanity, like barreling down the back straight at 300kph on the K3, lining up the pass on someone doing 160kph flatout, they change direction to where you're intended to go and all of a sudden, someone doing 130 odd kph, is where you need to go, trust me a K3 is a handful to change direction quickly at that speed.
Really when you look at it, a noob sharing the track with someone of J. loves pace, i dont blame him for packing up. I am surprised that they havent turned around and said race bikes only on these days, i'm sure it's supposed to be, it is at manfeild the only reason i got out there is cause i said the my bike was destined to be a race bike, and i found myslef on the track with Shaun Harris, Sheriffs and co, little outta my depth, but i'm hardly wobbling around like it was my first time out on a track.

It's good seeing people want to get out on the track, it is a really top way to build confidence and riding skill, but you should leave it for track days aimed at this, like frosty's taupo day and the ones many clubs run at various tracks round the country.

As for stunting in the pit lane, not cool, as WT said, 30kph limit is there for a damn good reason, admitly i did a stoppie once, but it was a stop-ie not a rolling job, wheelies on the track, yea i do em, i try my hardest to make sure i wont get in anyones way first, and plus a K3 on the back wheel still hauls along fairly well.

Rules concerning rider ability are not stipulated upon signing a release form and as we all pay the same money, ability should not come into it. Club runs are not run as often, nor are they convenient as 'Puke' and breaking the day into groups would see participants on both sides get less track time.

Fundamentally i agree with you LooseBruce, it must affect both safety and frustration from riders of all levels. Having a higher skill level does not grant a rider greater privilege

Having only completed one track day myself, i was appalled at the lack of safety and organization from 'Puke', they seemed happy to take your money and let you go without providing any real guidance. Given the level of speeds attained by many different types of vehicles, it is hard to believe OSH has not insisted on having an ambulance on stand by and full track marshaling as an absolute minimum.

Change is needed

[Kickaha]

it is hard to believe OSH has not insisted on having an ambulance on stand by and full track marshaling as an absolute minimum.

Change is needed

I recall when I raced Superkarts chatting on a American Forum they organised a track day and the hire cost was close to $8,000 as the track provided Paramedics and Flag Marshalls, so if the track is to provide those services then expect a big hike in the hire charge (porobably not as huge as the Merkins though)

In Chch you have to have a observer sign in with you so someone can be alerted if things go wrong, although normally there are always enough people around in case of mishaps

[kro]

I guess if KB did have an official riders club, then the actions of one or two over enthusiastic people could tarnish their reputation, and lets face it, reputation is gold if its a good one, and the opposite also applies.

Personally, stoppies in the pit lane is a bit on the side, as this pit area is a heavily populated one, and is probably not the best spot to be on one wheel.

On the other hand, what would this person who said he was leaving do, if there was no identifying affiliation to put aginst the wheelie/stoppie people?. He would just have to bite down hard and suffer. It would seem that he took exception to one or two semi-questionable antics, and wanted to vent, and KB took some of the brunt of that, but I don't think this should be viewed as a major infringement.

[cowpoos]

Nope, not really. I'm a lazy, skinny, wife-beater with mongrel dogs and a two-stroke, doesn't get any worse than that.

errrr...u could own a scooter!!!! =

[cowpoos]

all righty then....okay....some peolpe arn't reading the whole thread before commenting and missing alot of the jist of this topic...

I WAS THE NAUGHTY BOY WHO DID THIS SUPOOSED MANIC WHEELIE AND TEN MILLION KM STOPPIE.....

and FzerozeroT said quietly...if you do stuff like that they may boot us out...
as in a warning that it could happen....even though there were 4 of us bikers...and 5 champ cars and a mustang turned up later....empty pits basically....I admit I was being silly...and stopped on mention...

and for the record...the stoppie...was tiny...from about 10kmph to a stop...not a really rolling stoppie...and the wheelie was at about 40kmph...and tiny...alittle 1st gear enthusiasium as I was past the last pit garage...THE END....non event....but still was irrisponsable...my bad

As for naughty KBr's at trackdays...yes you do tarnish the whole group...just like in any area of society...if people can be grouped or labeled...they are...
Alot of people on here slag of cage drives and ALL 4X4 drivers....the same thing applies when outsiders look at bikes....to 90% of people a few of one group means all...it causes un-true perception...and all most always incorret...but the fact is it happens...genraisation happens...and that can't be changed...