KBers being assholes at trackdays?

[Shade]

Theyre thinking we're nutters because of a few wheelies and stoppies?

Meh

[cowpoos]

No need to name names, I was just making a point of my "proof of an incident".

I don't care...I was in the wrong...the end...

[inlinefour]

Some KBers' attitudes are woefull. I'm not speaking of this incident at the track day, but more behaviours on this site. Also, when I go riding, at times by myself, I like to talk to other bikers when I get the chance, irrelevant if they are in a club, patched, etc. If they are going to talk then I don't care about background. Now I must admit that I have only heard good things about the "naki KBers" and how much of a hoon one in particular. However when I leave my province, at times I get asked, why are you with those clowns and get told of things that make me embarrassed to be associated with KB. Now I'd really like to think that this is the minority upsetting things for the majority, as it appears to be that way when looking at all the "personalities" here at this site...

[Zed]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!

I've done 5 track days and been on heaps of KB rides in the last 12 months and havn't witnessed what I'd term twatish/moronic behaviour, so as far as I'm concerned this individual and the others he/she's influenced have made an over-generalisation about KBers and it is, as you say, only a rumour, and a viscious one at that!

So FzerozeroT, next time you tell us to show a bit of blankety blank courtesy, think carefully about the validity of such stories! Btw, unless you were there and witnessed it first hand you can't use someone else's word as 'proof' because they would have interpreted the circumstances their way not yours.

[inlinefour]

I've done 5 track days and been on heaps of KB rides in the last 12 months and havn't witnessed what I'd term twatish/moronic behaviour, so as far as I'm concerned this individual and the others he/she's influenced have made an over-generalisation about KBers and it is, as you say, only a rumour, and a viscious one at that!

So FzerozeroT, next time you tell us to show a bit of blankety blank courtesy, think carefully about the validity of such stories! Btw, unless you were there and witnessed it first hand you can't use someone else's word as 'proof' because they would have interpreted the circumstances their way not yours.

I would not completely rubbish the notion, might have actually happened like he said, although I'd like to think not...

[Joni]

I think its always the case.... someone, somewhere sees something that they feel is not "appropriate" and suddenly anyone or everything attached to that circumstance is "dubious".

Besides as mentioned before this is not a club. KB is a group of people with something in common... we dont ride under a banner. Its a group of individuals riding together... the operative word being individual.

[T.I.E]

it does actually feel like we are riding under a banner. this group is large, and all over the place. the Kiwi Biker logo, is starting to feel like a banner. and with merchandise eg stickers and patches, feels like if it is not a club then it is really bloody close to it.
spank did ya ever think it would get this big?

[Lou Girardin]

One mans hooning is another mans superb skills. If it doesn't affect me, I don't particularly care.
What we don't need is the strict control you get with some bike clubs, ride in echelon, no passing etc etc etc.

[marty]

Some KBers' attitudes are woefull. I'm not speaking of this incident at the track day, but more behaviours on this site. Also, when I go riding, at times by myself, I like to talk to other bikers when I get the chance, irrelevant if they are in a club, patched, etc. If they are going to talk then I don't care about background. Now I must admit that I have only heard good things about the "naki KBers" and how much of a hoon one in particular. However when I leave my province, at times I get asked, why are you with those clowns and get told of things that make me embarrassed to be associated with KB. Now I'd really like to think that this is the minority upsetting things for the majority, as it appears to be that way when looking at all the "personalities" here at this site...

woeful according to who? you? FFS - it's not your problem - get over it.

each to their own. bikers, cagers, cops, robbers. there's always an idiot. they get their comeuppance in the end.

[marty]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!

says the man with a smiley face burnout for his avatar

[Beemer]

If ANYONE is being an arsehole at a track day, surely it is up to the organisers to bring them into line and tell them their behaviour is not acceptable?

Without actually witnessing the incident, it's hard to say whether the actions were dangerous or careless. If the person who DID see it happen wasn't happy, then he/she should have raised their concerns with the organisers.

[Pixie]

One mans hooning is another mans superb skills. If it doesn't affect me, I don't particularly care.
What we don't need is the strict control you get with some bike clubs, ride in echelon, no passing etc etc etc.

Have an elected "Road Captain" etc.
I think I know who we are talking about

[SPman]

You get "twattish" behaviour wherever you get a group of like minded deviants.....and KB is a focal point to bring together disparate riders to mix, associate,whatever..........
Having ridden with a variety of other "clubs" and groups, the behaviour on KB "events", is neither better nor worse, than most other groups. I've seen behaviour on track days far worse than anything Ive witnessed since KB has been around.
Yes, I have seen twatish behaviour on KB rides - and not normally involving stunting either - as a result of which, I'm choosing who I ride with, with a bit more care.....but Ullysses riders scare me more!
KB is just another "group" out there , that can now be identified and has a fairly large following, so of course there is going to be some shit slung - just like at all the other clubs and groups at various times in their existence. Its up to individual riders to be responsible or not, for their own actions and yes, if they are on KB and identified as such, if they "twatify" their behaviour, people will associate it with the site, because they dont know any better!
But its not a club - more an anarchic syndicalist commune - we're all individuals on here, free to come and go as desired, with a wide range of outlooks and experiences and if some good comes out of the intermingling of riders to improve perceptions, outlooks, experience, ...then whats a bit of shitslinging.

[Drunken Monkey]

Was it an actual track day, or was it a controlled testing or open day? People often call controlled testing days 'track days', but they are different, and are run with different rules.
IMHO riders should be quite able to practice wheelies and stoppies on a controlled testing day.
In the end, if the track marshal allows wheelie's/stoppies/etc... then it is acceptable behaviour, irrespective of any particular individual's opinion on the matter.
Personally the only people that annoy me on track days/open days are people who don't adhere to the basic principle of 'hold your line'. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather be buzzed by someone on one wheel down the back straight than have some twat think he's doing me a favour by changing his line mid corner to 'let me past'.

[sAsLEX]

In the end, if the track marshal allows wheelie's/stoppies/etc... then it is acceptable behaviour, irrespective of any particular individual's opinion on the matter.

might of been the fact it was done in the pits that upset some people, maybe he didnt know it was wrong, anyways he was told its not and accepted it as being that and has even admitted it here.