Bike Chase Alfriston/Brookby Area

[Lou Girardin]

If they weren't interested in taking reports of stolen vehicles, how would they ever arrive in the situation where they are pursuing one? Following up complaints requires evidence and strangely enough an offender driving a stolen vehicle and failing to stop for police is pretty relevant evidence.

Mr Pajero's chase started as a speed check. Surprise surprise.

[Indoo]

Given the voting pattern in the last election I'm not entirely convinced we did vote Labour back in. But hey, coming from one who works for an organisation completely lacking in intergrity, I guess I can't complain that you may think that way.

Alot of criminals don't like the Police, I'm guessing you didn't enjoy the accomodiation provided or was it the food?

I've listened to a scanner... frequently. I've heard many occasions where there are plenty of HP units around, but no one available to attend any general duties work. .

Yeh right, given that they would likely be facing disciplinary action if they refused to attend a job I find that 'slightly' unlikely.

I don't know you to judge you, Indoo. I don't give a rats arse about whether the police are under-resourced or whatnot - in fact I don't disagree that the general/investigative arm are. But while we're getting snapped for 61k in a 50 zone, and someone's getting their house/car done just up the road - how can that be a positive thing?

Im not in entirely in favour of the current focus on speed either, but given that traffic units attend burgularys and unlawful takings and arrest many just by routine patrolling/pulling over cars how exactly is that relevant?

[Lou Girardin]

And what causes those instances Lou? Do you think Police are delibrately not responding just to piss the public off, it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Police association has been warning for years of chronic understaffing and yet nothing has been done about it.

Most frontline cops I know go from job to job without any respite, half the time they don't even get a chance for a meal break in a 9 or so hour long shift and wind up doing unpaid overtime at the end of it. They aren't sitting on there arses ignoring 111 calls.

The public voted labour back in so really what can they complain about?

Most of your staffing problems started with National. Remember John (1st at Aramoana) Banks and his 900 extra cops?
As I've said before, you guys have not put enough pressure on your bosses.

[spudchucka]

Mr Pajero's chase started as a speed check. Surprise surprise.

So what? Some cop at some stage has had to sit down and take an unlawful taking complaint and get the vehicles details entered into the system. How else would the cop attempting the initial traffic stop become aware that the vehicle was in fact stolen?

So to clarify your original nonsense remark that cops aren't interested in car theft complaints, I'm afraid you are just plain wrong.

[Lou Girardin]

Alot of criminals don't like the Police, I'm guessing you didn't enjoy the accomodiation provided or was it the food?



Yeh right, given that they would likely be facing disciplinary action if they refused to attend a job I find that 'slightly' unlikely.



Im not in entirely in favour of the current focus on speed either, but given that traffic units attend burgularys and unlawful takings and arrest many just by routine patrolling/pulling over cars how exactly is that relevant?

Do you know he has a record? Or is this lack of an argument?

Enquiries have shown HP to be 'unavailable' for calls while operating speed traps.

No one has said traffic duties should stop, just that priorities are wrong.

[Indoo]

Do you know he has a record? Or is this lack of an argument?.

Hes bragged about getting off disqualified driving charges before by lying in court so I would assume so and I would also assume it would have an impact on his views towards cops.

Enquiries have shown HP to be 'unavailable' for calls while operating speed traps.

Never heard of this, unless its some place out in the wops some place and if it did happen it would be because of the individual officer being a lazy git rather than a Police policy not to respond to calls.

No one has said traffic duties should stop, just that priorities are wrong.

If traffic staff are focusing on speed or red light runners it really has no impact whatsoever on their ability to respond to jobs.

[Lou Girardin]

Hes bragged about getting off disqualified driving charges before by lying in court so I would assume so and I would also assume it would have an impact on his views towards cops.

If traffic staff are focusing on speed or red light runners it really has no impact whatsoever on their ability to respond to jobs.

Assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Apparently it has.

[Indoo]

Assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Apparently it has.

Hows that, generally when your done for failing to stop/reckless driving/driving while disqualifed you do spend a wee bit of time in a nice comfy cell? If I'm wrong feel free to correct me though.

That experience might have something to do with Madboys obvious love for cops.

[Lou Girardin]

So how do you explain my dislike of Police policies etc.
I've never been arrested, had very few tickets, seldom even get stopped.
Was even a cop for a while.
Gee, could it be that I actually believe that todays Police force has got it wrong?

[madboy]

I can't say spending time in holding cells is a favourite pastime of mine, but that's not what has soured my opinion of the police. It wasn't the fines, disq or PD that really worried me either.

The several different occasions of perjury kinda got on my wick - both on the stand and in their summary of "facts". It wasn't helped by the cop that smashed my windscreen while I lay handcuffed on the ground beside the car one time. And then when the cops lied to the officer investigating for the PCA complaint - oh yeah, that was funny, especially when the photos proved they were lying. And apparently having handcuffs on so tight they cut off the circulation to my hands and left marks clearly visible a week later is standard police procedure.

I was quite lucky I guess. Unlike some of the guys I was on PD with, I never managed to get a proper bash from the cops. Those guys had some really funny stories to tell.

Yep, I guess it must be because I'm such a loser and worthless non-contributing member of society that I don't trust you guys. I cry myself to sleep every night over my job where I am allowed to operate with honesty and integrity, how I manage to do it day in, day out, I just don't know.

Your comment re: HP being available... I'm sure they are. But they seem to have awful difficult hearing the radio calls where I come from. Guess that will all be solved when the in-car communications are upgraded so jobs can be assigned to them directly.

[Indoo]

Was even a cop for a while.

Must resist....................

And Madboy not saying your worthless or whatever, just that people who fall on the wrong side of the law often have a slightly swayed opinion towards the Police.

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Indoo]

Was even a cop for a while.
QUOTE]

Must resist....................

You never resisted before. Let it out, you'll feel better.

[madboy]

And Madboy not saying your worthless or whatever, just that people who fall on the wrong side of the law often have a slightly swayed opinion towards the Police.

Point taken. Unfortunately you often need to fall onto the wrong side of the law to appreciate where the failings of the police are. I'm not saying you're all useless f***s, far from it. You've got a shit job, shit pay and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But there's quite a few in the ranks who could not honestly claim the moral high ground. Those are the buggers who've clouded my opinion.