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  1. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    The original post was an excerpt of the PUBLIC press release made BY THE POLICE. It is made to the ENTIRE MEDIA - TV, all newspapers etc. It was on Stuff before it was posted here. It was already in the public domain, and I hardly think we need fear telling the police information they themselves have released.

    How long do you wait until the dreadful secret can be whispered. Or do we all bury our collective heads in the sand and pretend that crashes never happen.

    Look at it fromt he other side. If we are to have a blanket ban on any mention of crashing, we must also extend the same logic to injury from non motorcycle accidents, KBers who end up in hospital for non injury causes etc.


    This purports to be a community. So what happens? I (hypothetically) end up in hospital (maybe from bike crash, maybe because I drop one of Mrs Ixion's fairy cakes on my toe, maybe becuse I have a stroke at the sight of my ACC levy, whatever). After a week or so, I escape. And get back onto a computer. Well, some community this was. No mention of my having grief , no good wishes , no "that's too bad". KB just ignored me. "Oh, well, yeah, some of us knew, but,y'know, we're not allowed to post about bad things. Cos it might upset people. Delicate folk, bikers".

    Or, if worst came to worst, and I died - Mrs Ixion saying "Well, those KB people he thought so highly of obviously didn't give a stuff about him. Nobody even noticed or mentioned that he'd died".

    Brutal fact people. Wht we do is dangerous. It can kill any one of us today, including me. If you can't hack that fact , time to hang up the helmet. Burying head in sand and pretending that crashes don't happen won't change the reality.
    and again I still don't see "the difference" sorry but I must be dumb, oh wait I am don't mind me.

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    Well, I'm not sure that a difference is needed. But I can see two distinctions. One between "Hey nobody knows yet, but Joe's crashed" on the one hand and "I was very sad to see in the newspaper that Joe had crashed". No point trying to keep it secret once it's in the news. And one between a simple statement of fact " A biker hs been killed, our condolences" on the one hand and an analysis of how it happened, how it might have been avoided , why it need not of happened etc, bsed on guesswork and surmise, on the other hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    Well, I'm not sure that a difference is needed. But I can see two distinctions. One between "Hey nobody knows yet, but Joe's crashed" on the one hand and "I was very sad to see in the newspaper that Joe had crashed". No point trying to keep it secret once it's in the news. And one between a simple statement of fact " A biker hs been killed, our condolences" on the one hand and an analysis of how it happened, how it might have been avoided , why it need not of happened etc, bsed on guesswork and surmise, on the other hand.
    "our fellow kb member >>insert name here<< crashed today"

    "some random crashed and died today"

    Was the possibility there that it could infact have been a KB member? YES.

    Similar? Yes.

    So whats not ok posting about someones accident? And what is ok about posting about someone who is dead after an accident?

    I'm thinking about "what if" they are a member here. Or what if, they have family who use this site.

    Its all the same sort of situation, and people moaned about people posting about peoples accidents. I know that was over and done with. BUT that just doesn't make sense to me.

    Call me stupid, but its all pretty much similar situations. Other than the fact that the dead person may or may not be a member.

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    *enters name*

    *enters password*

    *logged on*

    *read post*

    oh don't worry that was just possibly my uncle bill who passed through that area this morning.


    Could end up being the same horrible way of findng out for someone, they "may have" left their phone at home, or not seen the news report.. or..


    Need I go on?

  5. #20
    Just a thought, but who cares. I talk out my arse.

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    when i die.. i want to be dried,ground up and i want all you cunts to smoke me


    (hope you're not doing anything for about a WEEK man....)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    when i die.. i want to be dried,ground up and i want all you cunts to smoke me
    thats.. well... "nice"... erm..

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX
    Just a thought, but who cares. I talk out my arse.

    Don't you dare get yourself down. You were brave to start this thread.
    Small and dangerous with a sting in my tail!!

  9. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpygirl
    Don't you dare get yourself down. You were brave to start this thread.
    I felt the need for a good beating lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX
    thats.. well... "nice"... erm..

    that would be nice actually... i'll burn with such a pretty blue flame..
    Life is tough. It's tougher when you're stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    that would be nice actually... i'll burn with such a pretty blue flame..
    pink flame would be much.. umm.. prettier..

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    The Net is a public forum, (read world wide) so anything and everything posted is up for quotation, copying etc.

    What and how people post is out of our control, hence my views on other post on this subject...

    I don’t believe that anyone here would post with ill intent to hurt or upset in this type of incident.

    The world is a public place and more so with the net, I feel that any post on any recent incident involving harm or death be posted with some thought, but it has happened and it is now history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX
    Call me stupid, but its all pretty much similar situations. Other than the fact that the dead person may or may not be a member.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpygirl
    Don't you dare get yourself down. You were brave to start this thread.


    Yes you were brave Kittie, and mate, you're not stupid.

    Forums such as KB are for open discussion, that's the POINT. The only thing we need to remember is that someone else's opinion is not WRONG just because it differs from our own.

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    What we are talking about here is basically a human nature issue, isn't it?
    Then there is the whole internet side of it, which includes Kiwibiker, but also includes a magnatude of other media outlets on the net.

    In principle I agree with what Kittie has to say.
    In practice it is hard to administor.

    The outcome from posting something that involves someone (KB or not) can potentially be alarming and/or upsetting or just down right offensive to them or their family OR it could be comforting, informative, supportive.....

    On the other hand (four fingers and a thumb) what are our "group norms" within KB? Does everyone know and understand?

    I wonder whether this is part (or all) of the point that you are making Kittie.
    Definition of what is the "group norm" here with regard to accidents, injury and death?

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    I don't see the harm myself, I work right on the Richmond Deviation (Nelsons name for a motorway), and see at least 4 to 5 ambulances scream down it daily, lights flashing, sirens blaring, and I often wonder if any of the dozens of construction workers and contractors whom I have become friends with, have had a concrete slab dropped on them, or been hit with a 20 tonne excavator bucket. What I'm saying is that its something we live with every day.

    I think the level of comaraderie among the biking community is such that they care enough to make things like accidents known to all, it not only serves as a wake up call for some, but shows that people care. I don't think its ghoulish or dark in its origin, but stems from a genuine feeling for a fellow biker, who has been struck down.

    I think that any immediate family member/relative would be notified promptly by the police, and they would be the first to know, and dont think there is harm in people posting the occurence here.

    Just my 2c worth, and yes it is a gutsy thread kittie, I sort of know where you are coming from.
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