Overtaking whilst on a group ride

[The_Dover]

I'd hate to see you out on the pull.

Most guys hate it mate. They don't like the competition.

Hey Juzzer, nice evasive countersteering!

[Karma]

Most guys hate it mate. They don't like the competition.

Hey Juzzer, nice evasive countersteering!

I'd imagine it goes something like this;


Dover : Hey there baby girl... you wanna go for a ride
Bird : Sure lets go, nobody else is talking to me so you'll do
Dover : Just need you to fill out this quick indemnity contract and write any details of next of kin for me to contact on the back.

[chickenfunkstar]

No. That's what mirrors are for. You don't pull out when being overtaken.
Anyone read the Road Code lately?

I know what you're saying and the slower bike would be legally in the wrong if there was a collision, but even when using your mirrors and doing a head check, you still sometimes can't see if there's anyone behind you. (i.e. if they're really close and practically directly behind you)

Anyway, sometimes whats safest / best isn't always whats legal, eh Lou?

[Gremlin]

OK, I'll take a stab and say that I was probably one of the mobile chicanes you refer to as "Bike A"... Don't think I blocked anyone when passing... although I did see one close one just in front on one occasion. Also had someone pass me while I was busying passing, but I was expecting that, hence I tried to give you half a lane on the far right to use...

As for the twisties, I know I was holding up others, I would get a break and pull away after passing, but then get stuck again, and see another queue behind me

From my point of view, yes, I am technically holding people up, but, if an opportunity comes, where I can overtake safely, I need to take it, I've usually been behind the car for ages, and the odds of another place for passing is rare... I try to give some warning as well by using my indicator...

I reckon you (the big bikes) can overtake far more easily and in more places, hence I need the places which I can use. Vice versa, when I was behind Christine (CaN2), I reckoned I could go faster, but she was first, and she was going to have first crack at overtaking.

As for empty straights, I move left and let you pass, obviously. Also, if I see a bike come up quickly (easy when it was the VTR, soo obvious) and sit right behind me, I try to give you chances to overtake and get ahead, you are obviously on a quicker pace...

Can't wait for more power...

[mv.senna]

Wasn't some noisy prick on a VTR was it?

are you being rude about Marmoot???

and no, it was some masc-ara'd man on a cbr250.....

[Lou Girardin]

There's some interesting comments along the lines of adopting different riding behaviours on 'group rides'.
I tend to think that normal road rules should apply. Unless you want to end up like HOG rides, where you're not supposed to overtake.
Changing rules ad lib only leads to confusion. If I close quickly on any vehicle I'll watch to see if they've seen me, give a wide berth and pass. If you dither around playing "you first, no after you" inevitably both riders move at the same time.

[Karma]

As for the twisties, I know I was holding up others, I would get a break and pull away after passing, but then get stuck again, and see another queue behind me

Wouldn't be on the uphill sections by any chance?

when I was behind Christine (CaN2), I reckoned I could go faster, but she was first, and she was going to have first crack at overtaking.

Bit ambisious aren't we? She giving it some from what I saw.

Can't wait for more power...

Tell me about it... I think the 9R is gonna have to come sooner rather than later.

[Zapf]

I was more talking about the open road, unless anyone fancys a group ride down the motorway???
There's always a blind spot about directly behind you which spreads out to about 1 meter either side if a bike following you is about 3 meters or so behind you. If someone was following you a couple of meters behind you and just to the side of you, there isn't much of a chance to see him.

head check comes to mind...

[Marmoot]

are you being rude about Marmoot???

and no, it was some masc-ara'd man on a cbr250.....

if it's 'noisy' it could be him or me. But the 'prick' would only mean him

Mine is larger than a prick

[juzzer]

if it's 'noisy' it could be him or me. But the 'prick' would only mean him

Mine is larger than a prick

O Well, i'll just have to get a bigger noisier bike to conpensate for said "Little prick"

[boomer]

Who you calling a prick???

[Gremlin]

Wouldn't be on the uphill sections by any chance?

yeah, that would be when I move left, seriously, I have tried. At 100+ I can't accelerate. In fact, coming back, there was that long climb, and I thought I had broken something.

Initially I thought I was slowing, the throttle was wide open, then chopped down a gear and managed to stay at the same speed... Another gear would give me more revs and nothing else

Bit ambisious aren't we? She giving it some from what I saw.

Yeah, she was going well, but I reckoned I could go faster at that point (other parts, she was faster, don't deny it). However, doing so would muck up her riding, make it more difficult for the both of us and generally cause strife. So I simply waited for my turn.

Mebe I didn't want to pass (j/k)

[Karma]

Well as soon as I get my business off the ground I'm going to see if I can claim a ZX9R as a business expense and get some tax deductions on the go... need to look at some creative accounting.

[avgas]

NO NO NO NO NO NO, BAD MACHINE

[Speedracer]

I reckon just use indicators.

Bike A indicates, head check to make sure no one is in the passing lane.
Bike B is sitting behind bike A, sees indicators and waits for bike A to pass before passing bike A.
i.e. bike A gets priority if they both want to overtake at the same time.

When overtaking most of your concentration is going to be in front, so it makes sense to let the guy in front go first if they are indicating as much.