Mmn, not quite the Christmas present I'd been asking for...

[SPman]

I still maintain bikes should have a different speed limit, they are a totally different vehicle and primarily are piloted by people with far more skills that those that are let loose in tintops.

Bikes are classed as cars with 2 wheels. The fact they have entirely different dynamics and skill factors is irrelavent to the beauracrats! In an effective policing strategy, most local area cops know, who the worst offenders or likely offenders are in their patch, and used to be good at dealing with them - the 10% who incurred 90% of the incidents. Now, it is a blanket - everyone is guilty if they dont do EXACTLY what we say, strategy. The results of people being promoted or appointed to jobs above their level of ability!

[heavenly.talker]

So would not be impressed if doble demerit points were brought in over the holiday season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems to be gettting more and more big brother everyday!

[WINJA]

So would not be impressed if doble demerit points were brought in over the holiday season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems to be gettting more and more big brother everyday!

LOOKS LIKE RUNNERS WILL DOUBLE FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON

[MSTRS:Me]

The speed tolerance thing is fairly recent,previously you would get done for 1 kph over - you wanna go back to the good old days,but not really eh?

Not that I recall - unless it was before the early 70's, there was a 5mph tolerance to allow for inaccurate speedos.
And Beemer (penalise them when they pull out and finally overtake George and Mildred who have been doing 80kph through the windy parts and then speed up to 110 when they get to the passing lane is just pathetic.) How right you are, Speed is always a factor if the vehicle(s) involved were moving at all. If the speed was 'excessive' - I always wonder about the frustration that your scenario causes.

[kro]

What else do you expect from an intellectually and innovatively bankrupt beauracracy whose only ideas are second hand knee jerk reactions from overseas, that dont work particularly well in their countries of origin.
Just more of the same old easy quick fixes that, as Ixion said, can be easily

Oh my Goodness, I just fell in love with you. I'm no expert, but I believe you are extremely correct in what you say here. I see this on a daily basis in my line of work, where NZ "lawmakers" don't have the balls to start their own set of standards, based on whats right for NZ, but instead, adopt british and Australian standards, and try to make them work for us. It doesnt always work.

[Karma]

Surely they couldn't possably fine you for going 3k over the speed limit, or not in any zone above 30kph anyways.

I was under the impression that car / bike manufactuers can only gaurantee their speedos to +/- 10%, therefore the police cannot ticket you for going 110 in a 100 zone as this could be your speedo misreading by that amount, which is legally allowed by law.

[sAsLEX]

Surely they couldn't possably fine you for going 3k over the speed limit, or not in any zone above 30kph anyways.

I was under the impression that car / bike manufactuers can only gaurantee their speedos to +/- 10%, therefore the police cannot ticket you for going 110 in a 100 zone as this could be your speedo misreading by that amount, which is legally allowed by law.

they always make them over read though, so if you speedo says your doing 50 it more likely you are doing less than more, they do this to cover the small error they might have

[inlinefour]

I might as well stop driving/riding on the roads. I cannot maintian a perfect 100kph in the hilux, let alone on a motorcycle. Hopefully this will be identified as the large mound of elephant droppings that it actually is. I am aware that within parliment that multiple lame, lacking in common sense and intelligence, ideas are considered to become legislation. Hopefully it will be poohooed as it rightfully should.

[N4CR]

Hhmm.. had a laugh at the '15 teenagers in 108 total pulled over' statistic.

Firstly they have roughly a quater of the blood alcohol limit (easier to break) and secondly that is a pretty small proportion compared to how many will be driving. OH THATS RIGHT IT'S YOUTH BASHING TIME.. whoops sorry forgot that.
/rant

One way we can do something about this is give the legislators a taste of their own medicine - get a whole lot of cage clubs to go driving round at well under the limit 'god forbid we speed' and see what wonders it does for traffic flow. Anyone keen to do 25kmh around the beehive all day long?

[Karma]

Hhmm.. had a laugh at the '15 teenagers in 108 total pulled over' statistic.

Firstly they have roughly a quater of the blood alcohol limit (easier to break) and secondly that is a pretty small proportion compared to how many will be driving. OH THATS RIGHT IT'S YOUTH BASHING TIME.. whoops sorry forgot that.
/rant

One way we can do something about this is give the legislators a taste of their own medicine - get a whole lot of cage clubs to go driving round at well under the limit 'god forbid we speed' and see what wonders it does for traffic flow. Anyone keen to do 25kmh around the beehive all day long?

Mate, this is what I've been saying for a while.

Get a whole bunch of us just going up and down SH1 at around 40kph, taking up at least two of the lanes. That'll show em we're organised and serious at least.

[Beemer]

I still maintain bikes should have a different speed limit, they are a totally different vehicle and primarily are piloted by people with far more skills that those that are let loose in tintops.

Is that why KB has so many threads entitled "I've just crashed!" - yeah, right!

[Lou Girardin]

Annette King wants innovation, so the Police copy Victoria. It doesn't work there either.
Here's a thought, why doesn't Annette get David Parker, the Minister for Transport, to make the LTNZ develop proper, tough driving tests.
She could also get some of our roads fixed.

BTW Stalkers are only guaranteed to be +/- 1.5 km/h accurate.

[Colapop]

If I got busted (at 3 k's over) the first thing I would do is question the accuracy of the equipment both the measuing device and the speedo of the vehicle i'm driving/riding. I don't recall my speedo ever having been checked for a warrant of fitness. I think the reality is that these 'demerits' will only apply to speed camera fines and it will allow the government the ability to gather more revenue from speed cameras - that have not lowered the road toll as touted upon their introduction. What is ironic is that in today's Dom. Post there is an article about organised crime and it's growing influence here - they need more police to tackle it blah blah blah... The most interesting line in the article says that they will not have enough officers to enforce the government's "road safety" (revenue gathering - reading between the lines) campaign. To me this means that they are gearing up to move officers from road safety to organised crime postings and leave the revenue gathering to the speed cameras.

[madboy]

I'm 363cc behind WINJA - runners are the way of the future. It is the only way to maintain the pleasure of bike ownership but still keeping it affordable.

At the risk of sounding like a drone of all the previous posts... why oh why is it sooooooooooooooo hard for our govt to THINK. THINK. FFS THINK! I pay enough taxes to keep food (and booze/drugs/cigarettes) on the table for dumbass f***tard losers with no brains, I don't need any higher paid ones slipping into that same category too!

[Bartman10]

There might be a minor advantage here.

Yesterday, while I was travelling home from Taupo I saw three cops along the desert road... But lucky for me they had pulled three pricks in four wheel drive vehicles over, so I was able to go roaring past - no worries.

Had the speed tolerance been 20 kph over the limit, there is a higher chance that the arseholes in the 4x4's would not have been pulled over (e.g. if they were travelling at 115). This would have freed up police time to pull me over instead.

If the tolerance is 3 kph, but the police resourcing is not increased then the probability of you getting pulled over compared to having a tolerance at 10 kph is actually reduced, provided you normally ride at greater than 110 kph, because of the high number of tickets that the cops would be issuing.

If you normally travel 103 - 110 kph then the chance of getting ticketed will increase of course.