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    Triumph Bonneville.
    Redefined performance and was the most coveted machine by 2 generations of motorcyclists. Quality slipped at the end - but no other bike dominated for so long.

    Harley-Davidson Electra Glide.
    Has endured and been the basis for some of the best selling machines worldwide for thirty years.

    Honda K1 750.
    Shifted the centre of the motorcycle universe.

    Kawasaki Z1.
    Made it go faster and set us on the path to todays sprotsbikes.

    Ago's Agusta.
    Nothing ever dominated so completely.

    Honda CB100
    Because Hitcher says.

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    The Ducati 916 Senna should get a mention with any luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit
    F1, #3 was Mazda Miata (MX-5), which is Japanese but designed in America,.
    Nope. a Merkin was involved in the design, but it was done in the Land of The Rising Sun.
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    And the Honda CB100
    "Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]

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    I reckon that should be SL100,they were a crap dirt bike compared to the Yamaha's and Suzuki's,but they looked so good,they seemed to be everywhere at the time,much more popular than the CB,the CB was a girls bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dave
    Triumph Bonneville.
    Redefined performance and was the most coveted machine by 2 generations of motorcyclists. Quality slipped at the end - but no other bike dominated for so long.

    Harley-Davidson Electra Glide.
    Has endured and been the basis for some of the best selling machines worldwide for thirty years.

    Honda K1 750.
    Shifted the centre of the motorcycle universe.

    Kawasaki Z1.
    Made it go faster and set us on the path to todays sprotsbikes.

    Ago's Agusta.
    Nothing ever dominated so completely.

    Honda CB100
    Because Hitcher says.
    Agree with it all except maybe the MV... MV went back on the agreement they had with the other makers to stop running a factory team in 1957 and it is arguable that there was very little competition. In that category I would place the BSA Gold Star 350 as it so dominated production bike racing they abandoned the class. Nothing else had a hope of winning for years.

    I would add...

    Yamaha RD350 dominated proddie racing and was cheap fast and very very good
    Manx Norton and AJS 7R true over the counter gp bikes still being raced in the 100's
    Brough Superior - because lawrence of Arabia died on one and it was the coolest bike in the world.
    HD Sportster - Mad / bad and iconic
    HD XR750 - SEXY
    Suzuki GSXR750 Nothing was ever the same afterwards
    Honda Fireblade - Ditto
    Ducati 916 - Everyone can remember the first one they saw - stunning
    Honda 50 step through...

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    I'm with Paul's last choice - the C50.

    In 1999 Kiwi Rider asked for nominations for Bike of the Century.
    Here's mineand it pretty much sums up what would be on my "Greatest Ever" list:

    I like the idea of a Bike of the Century Award. The problem is that the use of the Motorcycle has changed radically through this century.

    From 1900 to 1970, a Motorcycle was a necessity of life. My Dad owned one because a car was too expensive and a pushbike was too slow. During the last thirty years Motorcycles ownership as “sole means of transport” has become increasing rare.

    The other problem is the New Zealand perspective. In terms of having real impact on New Zealand Society only one type of motorcycle would even register. The Farm Bike delivered the coup de grace to the working farm horse and put a sizable crimp in sales of Tractors. It made farmers more productive and therefore added to the growth in New Zealand’s economy.

    However, because I’m an opinionated bastard, I won’t let this stand in the way of a good argument.

    The Harley sounds like a good nomination at first, but consider this:
    On the technological side, a vee configuration was one of the logical ways to get two cylinders in to a bike frame and keep it short and simple (only one crankshaft required). Harley were not the only ones doing it and may not have even been the first (if they were, I humbly apologise and realise I am not fit to choke on a Harley’s exhaust). The engine itself has importance only in hindsight, as the Harley is the only survivor from that era in the USA.

    In terms of the whole century Harley Davidson’s impact was low from a New Zealand perspective until relatively recently – I don’t remember clapping eyes on one in New Zealand until well into the Lange Government.

    I’m sorry to crap on about perspective, but the 430,000 members of HOG pale when placed next to 100,000,000 motorcycles produced by Honda since 1945.

    In my opinion (and any death threats for the following comments should be kept to forty words or less) Harley Davidson disqualifies itself because it produces more (or maybe less) than a motorcycle. During the last third of the 20th Century Harley engineering entered a cul de sac and is now irrelevant to rest of the industry (a successful irrelevance, I hasten to add). At further risk to my life, I would suggest that as a result of its ability to sell the image, Harley has so far removed itself from the mainstream of motorcycling that it is now selling a different product entirely. Not a motorcycle but a range of life style accessories (I am now applying to become Salman Rushdie’s flatmate).

    Other nominations that spring to mind are the BMW R Series (for longevity and engineering excellence), the Honda CB750 (the first superbike) or the Yamaha DT1 (for defining “dual purpose”), but in my humble opinion there is only one champion.

    The Honda C50 Super Cub - A motorcycle that sold 25,0000,000 copies.
    It was cheap, easy to ride and reliable. Even at the time its engineering wasn’t that revolutionary, but it was simple and cheap to produce and its social and economic impact was huge.

    There were other Japanese and Italian step-thrus available at the time, but it was Honda’s clever marketing (particularly in the USA) that kicked off the motorcycle revolution of the late sixties and early seventies. Honda’s advertising for the Cub had a lot to do with making motorcycles more socially acceptable in the early sixties (“You meet the nicest people on a Honda”).

    The Cub was the foundation of the Honda Empire and provided the financial and technological basis for motorcycles such as the CB750, Goldwing & CBX, to name a few.

    Even though we in New Zealand have pretty much outgrown the step-thru, the Cub and Cub clones still move half of Asia every day. In New Zealand it also provided the basis of one our first farm bikes, the CT90. I don’t know how many bikes Honda have sold in NZ, but I doubt any other marque comes close.

    I know the Cub is not sexy or powerful, but I struggle to imagine how Honda (and by extension, the rest of the Motorcycle Industry) would have managed without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badlieutenant
    someone had better mention the rc30.
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    Yes definately the RC30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dave
    Honda CB100
    Because Hitcher says.
    Retrospective posting. A whole new phenomenum...
    "Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar
    I'm with Paul's last choice - the C50.

    In 1999 Kiwi Rider asked for nominations for Bike of the Century.
    Here's mineand it pretty much sums up what would be on my "Greatest Ever" list:
    I'd he hard pressed to disagree with any of what you wrote except perhaps to move the 1970 date back a tad. I doubt by 1960 may people took family holidays on a motorcycle and side car. The qualification to that is, while the cheap car had definately arrived (imaging the whole family going for a holiday these days in an Austin A30 - god - they would have a heart attack) the era of the affordable second car had not. Hundreds of C50's and associated other 'commuter' bikes carried married blokes to work for ages.

    Good write up...

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    I think seeing that they made the porsche the greatest sports car they will most probably have some stupid bike as the greatest ever sports bikes something like a harley
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    Retrospective posting. A whole new phenomenum...
    Was that the question or the answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ
    ...Austin A30 - god - they would have a heart attack..
    Hey I Learned to drive in an A30! - in the '80's too!!

    What about the Ellehammer or the DNEPR MT10-36? (see photos below)
    The Ellehammer was a Danish motorcycle that helped introduce the idea of engine driven transport to Europe and the DNEPR MT 10-36 was known as the Russian Harley. The point that I make is that choosing a best bike is so subjective it can never be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colapop
    The point that I make is that choosing a best bike is so subjective it can never be done.
    true - but I still bet it wasn't russian.

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