Damn Damn Damn Damn

[mangell6]

The problem is that the "little hitlers" and the young "power trippers" give the other reasonable HP personnel a bad name.

There is a BIG difference between HP and, what I call, "Real" Policemen. There motives are totally different. I will assist 'Real' police personnel without a second thought, HP though will always get a second thought.

[James Deuce]

The problem is that the "little hitlers" and the young "power trippers" give the other reasonable HP personnel a bad name.

There is a BIG difference between HP and, what I call, "Real" Policemen. There motives are totally different. I will assist 'Real' police personnel without a second thought, HP though will always get a second thought.

I met a really nice one at a checkpoint in Petone - I explained that I'd already been through two, he asked me where they were and let me go without a test . And he was chatty and well-mannered. At 5am. Good bloke, and I wish there were more like him.

[spudchucka]

I'm starting to wonder about spudchuckers affiliations too, he seems very defensive of the Police.

I joined this forum because it was bike related, I was suprised to find so much anti police sentiment here. In fact I find it pretty sad.

I'm not saying the police are without fault but you guys criticise them over some pretty pathetic issues. Did you all get bored with rugby and take up hanging shit on the coppers as the new national sport???

Internet forums are great but they can also be the birth place of all sorts of false hoods and urban legands. If I see a police related link that I think is wrong or misleading, I'll provide an alternative viewpoint. I apologise in advance if any response I make comes across as a personal afront, (Lou), I have a tendancy to wright like that.

[Wenier]

sweet as dude i guess its more jus our perception of the police force with the way we have been dealt with in our own experiences with them. But totally respect wut ur saying

[mangell6]

I joined this forum because it was bike related, I was suprised to find so much anti police sentiment here. In fact I find it pretty sad.

I'm not saying the police are without fault but you guys criticise them over some pretty pathetic issues. Did you all get bored with rugby and take up hanging shit on the coppers as the new national sport???

Internet forums are great but they can also be the birth place of all sorts of false hoods and urban legands. If I see a police related link that I think is wrong or misleading, I'll provide an alternative viewpoint. I apologise in advance if any response I make comes across as a personal afront, (Lou), I have a tendancy to wright like that.

Spudchucka

There are two occupations who can never win - Police and Socialwork.

Both have 'policies' and 'expectations' defined for them and if the policy or expectation is wrong then they are held responsible, not the people who set the policy or set the expectations. They are screwed for doing their job. They are under orders and cannot do anything else or they will be sacked.

There is an alarming trend of "I am not responsible" for my own actions and this has resulted in the 'get-a-away' and 'why are you picking on me?' attitude in society, just ask Bart Simpson. When I was caught at 149 in a 100kmh I said yep you got me, the HP man was pleasant and polite.

There are a number of pathetic people on this list who easily criticise and compain, but not do anything else, but thats human nature I'm afraid Spudchucker. Lou, for example, backs up his opinion with action and while I may not agree with him all the time I still respect him because of the action. Lots of people take personal offront when none was offered or implied in written forums such as these. I call it the "gate mentality" they take 'a fence' so they might as well take the gate. - Now who will react to this paragraph

The Police in general do a very good job, but are severely hamstrung by policies and a minister, who believes that 'media issues' (people dieing on roads) and 'vote winning' are the most important things, that do not allow them to do policing and protecting society. Like the simple things, investigating 'crime' even the small petty ones like houses being broken into. There are a few 'arseholes' that are 'encouraged' to leave by their own colleagues, but they are few and far between. But seem to pick on poor motorcyclists

All things are based on the mighty dollar, I will investigate a crime of $XXX,XXX value, but not a crime of $XX,XXX e.g. Mercedes vs Honda. Because that is were are required to do.

I have no afilliation with NZ Police, but do have friends on both sides of law enforcement.

AND speaking of rugby - Ireland beat the World Chumpions England!!!!

Mike

[Two Smoker]

Well said mangell6, i completely agree. We have to expect a ticket in most instances of speeding (except for tickets when over taking, that is soooooo f@#$ing dumb, i mean which is safer overtaking at 110kmh and taking 200m to do it, or ivertaking at 140 and taking 70m to do it) As Bondage Bunny said, why dont we look at our speedo's occasionally.

And if you get a ticket or want to query it, just be polite and dont be arrogant. If you get all angry about it do you think that the cop is going to think, "oh that's a nice guy i'll let him off"

But if you are speeding and doing so in unsafe conditions or speeding for the hell of it (even though it sooooooo addictive......*personal experience as im sure most people think who also enjoy it*) and you get pulled over, take it like a man/woman and take the ticket be polite and pay up, take the risks pay the consequences.....

[speedpro]

Totally agree with being reasonable to the boys in blue.

I been pulled over twice for splitting lanes and been warned twice.

I got pulled over travelling to Tauranga just before Christmas just leaving some little town but still in 50K area. Cop was going other way with radar and did a u-turn. I had pulled over before he caught up and was looking in briefcase in back for licence. I said something like - you got me and that I wasn't paying attention as I was glancing at the map. He was quite a reasonable sort and let me off.

That's three warnings in a year and still no ticket.

[Big Dog]

I have the utmost respect for the police. They do a shit job for shit pay, and they have been known to tell me where speed cameras are when at checkpoints. I personally have never had a cop pull a bad attitude on me. Perhaps it helps that I don't dress like a squid, perhaps it's just that I treat them like real people.
I am certainly no angel.

However it F^&$# me off that if you ring up about a violent crime they don't want to know unless the offender is still present. This is not there fault this is our government not spending enough on policing in auckland and spending to much on a television station that less than 5% will be able to understand. Theres Kiwi logic for you. Our police is user pays and our television is govt owned
Now thats priorities!

Getting back on track, me? I aspire to being a good rider, I aspire to being a old rider but unless I ever get around to trackdays etc I don't care about being a fast rider.

[spudchucka]

There is an alarming trend of "I am not responsible" for my own actions and this has resulted in the 'get-a-away' and 'why are you picking on me?' attitude in society, just ask Bart Simpson. When I was caught at 149 in a 100kmh I said yep you got me, the HP man was pleasant and polite.

Ah, the sweet sound of reason.

There are a number of pathetic people on this list who easily criticise and compain, but not do anything else, but thats human nature I'm afraid Spudchucker. Lou, for example, backs up his opinion with action and while I may not agree with him all the time I still respect him because of the action. Lots of people take personal offront when none was offered or implied in written forums such as these. I call it the "gate mentality" they take 'a fence' so they might as well take the gate. - Now who will react to this paragraph

Good call!!

The Police in general do a very good job, but are severely hamstrung by policies and a minister, who believes that 'media issues' (people dieing on roads) and 'vote winning' are the most important things, that do not allow them to do policing and protecting society. Like the simple things, investigating 'crime' even the small petty ones like houses being broken into. There are a few 'arseholes' that are 'encouraged' to leave by their own colleagues, but they are few and far between. But seem to pick on poor motorcyclists

I think that road deaths shouldn't be considered a "media issue" although it is an emotive subject and gets shoved around often by people / organisations that have a particular barrow to push.

House burglaries are not a minor issue and aren't treated as such, burglars often grow up to be rapists who grow up to be murderers. The clearance rate for burgs relates to resources and that is such a huge issue that it can't really be covered in a internet forum.

Picking on motorcyclists?? Not unless they wear a patch on their backs.

AND speaking of rugby - Ireland beat the World Chumpions England!!!!

Go the Irish!!!!!!!!

[wkid_one]

There is an alarming trend of "I am not responsible" for my own actions and this has resulted in the 'get-a-away' and 'why are you picking on me?' attitude in society, just ask Bart Simpson. When I was caught at 149 in a 100kmh I said yep you got me, the HP man was pleasant and polite.

As I have said before - if you do the crime - do the time. It is not like no-one knows the speed limits....you choose to break em - don't whinge when you get caught.

I too, both times, have pulled over the second the lights went on and taken my medicine and both times the cops were cordial and had a good discussion. ONe even said that had I been doing 10kph less he wouldn't have bothered but 129 was too much and he had to ticket me.

[Indo]

Now i wonder if any cops would be reading this forum and taking notice of the amount of dislike that is put on all cops from the general public

Im just glad that ignorant trash like yourself are the exception rather than the norm on this forum. Your not the general public,your some arrogant knob twat who thinks hes above the law.

Around 500 people die on the roads each year, the vast majority of which are needless deaths due to speed or driver error. The police that you hate are the ones that have to pick up and put all the limbs and organs back into the body after a fatal crash. They are the ones that have to inform the deceaseds family and prepare their body at the mortuary.

Motorcyclists are one of the most at risk groups from idiots who speed. When a speeding driver who crosses the centre line hits us, we die, he survives simple as that.

And yet you want police to ignore dangerous drivers? Oh wait or just ignore you, because its ok if you speed, because your such a good driver right?

Im sure the guy who crosses the centre line at 120kmh + was also a good driver, its just a tragic accident that there was some guy on a bike coming the other way at the time.

I won't even get started at the absolute morons who complain about the Police informing them they are above the youth limit and as a result are close to being above the adult limit.

[White trash]

Ummmmm............welcome to KB, Indo.

Don't hold back, dude. Tell us what you really think.

[speedpro]

Indo seems to have confused speed and danger or is assuming that the two are synonomous. If some dweeb crossed the centre line but was only doing 80K and managed to wipe me out I wouldn't think "gee I'm glad the twit was only doing 80k". If both drivers are on their side of the road then irrespective of how fast they are travelling they cannot have a head-on crash. It's perfectly reasonable however to predict that at higher speeds the possibility of crossing into the other lane increases due to things like inability to control the vehicle at the higher speed. The problem in this instance may not be the "higher speed" but the "inability to control". I personally think that a lot of NZ drivers have an "inability to control" in some very normal circumstances.

The Police and LTSA do focus on speed in their statistics and reporting. Case in point a while ago was a head-on crash somewhere in Canterbury. The notice about the accident made quite a point about one or both of the drivers exceeding the speed limit and that the Police "suspected" that one of the vehicles was on the wrong side of the road. Well gosh darn - they had a head-on crash, how the hell could they do that without one, or both, of them not being entirely within their lane.

[Wenier]

Wow dude Calm indo breathe in and out in and out cops really are wankers whether we like it or not.

And totally agree with u there speedpro it inability not speed.

And as we all no SPEED DOESNT KILL, ITS THE SUDDEN IMPACT

that was peter brooke i think who said that!

[speedpro]

Here's an example of the "sort" of facts(propoganda), in this case about bread, that the LTSA uses. Courtesy of "mototuneusa".

Did you know:
1) More than 98 percent of convicted criminals are bread eaters!
2) Exactly half of all children who grow up in bread - eating households score in the bottom 50% on standardized IQ tests!
3) In the 19th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 55 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, scarlet fever, smallpox and influenza ravaged entire nations!
4) Statistics show that more than 75 % of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread!
5) Bread is made from a substance called "dough." Researchers have proven that as little as one pound of dough can choke a large animal like a horse. The average person eats more bread than that in one month!
6) Bread is known to be extremely addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water actually begged for bread after just two days!
7) Bread is a "gateway" food item, which usually leads to such items as butter, jam, peanut butter and even ... bacon !
8) Bread has been proven to kill. Scientists have now uncovered alarming evidence that 100% of the people who eat bread will eventually die!
9) Unattended newborn babies can choke on bread!
10) Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 425 degrees Fahrenheit! Don't laugh...that kind of heat can kill a full grown adult in less than five minutes.
11) 96 % of cancer victims eventually admit that they've eaten bread!


12) Sadly, 9 out of 10 bread eaters are unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.