Damn Damn Damn Damn

[spudchucka]

I haven't EVER seen where anyone has ever said that in the event of an accident a higher speed will not possibly result in greater injury.

What I was getting at is that it is possible to go fast (faster than the legal limit anyway) without crashing. The reverse is true as well, just because a person never exceeds the posted limit does not preclude them from a crash. Even at or below the posted limit crashes still occur and people are still injured. I wonder what the LTSA would blame those crashes on??

Point taken but the speed you go is relevant to the seriousness of injuries you are prepared to suffer or inflict on others in the event of a crash.

Many crashes happen within a kilometer of home because the drivers level of awareness drops as the relax the nearer they get to home. If a driver is speeding and they are in that state of mind then the speed is unsafe because reaction times etc are impaired.

[marty]

an 'aggravating' feature. pretty much sums it up really. i've seen plenty of crashes, and funnily enough, the ones that were at slow speed GENERALLY didn't result in anyone dying. some of you guys don't like being told that you're 'close to being over the adult limit'....how would you like it if you were being followed by a police car, say you crossed the centreline or wandered into the fog line area, and were stopped by said police unit to be given a ticket for 'driving without due care and attention' like they do in the UK? or being told 'you were close to having a crash'.....speed is readily identifiable, statistacally easy to count, and at the end of the day, since the inception of HP in 2000, the road toll is pretty much lower than it ever has been. alcohol enforcement carries the same statistical attractiveness, hence the focus on that too. ACC, local DHB's and local councils pretty much pay for all the traffic enforcment, as they are the principal benefactors from a reduced road toll. unfortunately they don't have the same input into criminal/general policing - that is controlled/managed by the police executive in wellington.

[Lou Girardin]

A survey by the UK Govt's TRRL found that speed was the main contributor to 7.3% of accidents. speed as a factor made up around 15%. Inattention was the worst factor. By following the 'faster you go, the bigger the mess' thinking, where would we end up? How slow is safe? A man in front with a red flag?
The problem in NZ is that we have a very Calvanist way of thinking. That is, people only respond to punishment, not education. So we end up with some of the worst driver training in the Western world and most vicious enforcement.
Contrary to what some think, I don't advocate zero enforcement. We need to regain an element of discretion and reasonableness from our Police.
After all, the LTSA's own stats show that driver who travel at 10 to 15 km/h over the limit have fewest accidents.
Lou

[White trash]

A guy I went to school with crashed at 80 kph (100k zone) just before the Petone over bridge on the Hutt Road. This was the first accident he'd had on the road. Dead.

Then some fucktard like me crashes at more than twice the legal limit up near Tokoroa. 3 weeks in hospital and 1 rooted GSX-R750 later, I'm fine.

Luck has a hell of a lot to do with it too.

Did slow me down a bit though.

[Lou Girardin]

A mate of mine went the same way. After years of hooning around, he was killed doing less than the speed limit. He was distracted by something and went under a truck.
I've got slower as I've got older, mainly because there's too much traffic around. The risk factor has increased.
Lou

[spudchucka]

A mate of mine went the same way. After years of hooning around, he was killed doing less than the speed limit. He was distracted by something and went under a truck.
I've got slower as I've got older, mainly because there's too much traffic around. The risk factor has increased.
Lou

Lou, perhaps the increased "risk factor" has something to do with speed being policed so much harder these days.???? :spudwhat:

[White trash]

Saw a good one in Johnsonville about 8-9 years ago.

I was working at BP on a Saturday morning about 11.30. NS250R comes hooning into J'Ville with 7 cop cars in tow. It seems the police had chased him from Wgtn. Johnsonville gets pretty bloody busy on a Sat and there's people with kids every where.

The guy blasts through to the round about at the North end where he finally gives it up and stops.

Pursuit vehicle #1 runs straight up the back of the bike, shunts him forward into the round about, under the wheels of a truck trailor coming through from the right.

Truck screechs to a halt, Mr Plod's out of his car DRAGGING the unconsious rider from under the truck!

Rider survived but could of been a hell of a lot worse.

[Lou Girardin]

Lou, perhaps the increased "risk factor" has something to do with speed being policed so much harder these days.???? :spudwhat:

Nice try, Spud. It's actually the number of cage drivers who can't stay in their lane on corners.
I have very little to do with cops from a their work point of view.
White trash, I wonder if the cop was charged with dangerous. What do you reckon?
Lou

[MD]

Saw a good one in Johnsonville about 8-9 years ago.

I was working at BP on a Saturday morning about 11.30. NS250R comes hooning into J'Ville with 7 cop cars in tow. It seems the police had chased him from Wgtn. Johnsonville gets pretty bloody busy on a Sat and there's people with kids every where.

The guy blasts through to the round about at the North end where he finally gives it up and stops.

Pursuit vehicle #1 runs straight up the back of the bike, shunts him forward into the round about, under the wheels of a truck trailor coming through from the right.

Truck screechs to a halt, Mr Plod's out of his car DRAGGING the unconsious rider from under the truck!

Rider survived but could of been a hell of a lot worse.

I remember that incident and it puzzled me why the Police driver wasn't charged with following too close and being unable to stop at the round about when he had to give way to the truck on his right?. The impact proved he obviously wasn't able to stop in time. There were eye witness reports that the bike had clearly given up doing the runner and come to a complete stop long before the Police car rammed him.

[Lou Girardin]

It must have gone to the PCA. (Police Cover-up Authority)
Lou

[spudchucka]

It must have gone to the PCA. (Police Cover-up Authority)
Lou

You really are bitter about something aren't you!!

[Lou Girardin]

You really are bitter about something aren't you!!

Everytime a coconut!
Lou

[What?]

I remember that incident and it puzzled me why the Police driver wasn't charged...

Considering the media coverage the police are getting lately, are you still puzzled?

[Motu]

I remember that incident and it puzzled me why the Police driver wasn't charged with following too close and being unable to stop at the round about when he had to give way to the truck on his right?. The impact proved he obviously wasn't able to stop in time. There were eye witness reports that the bike had clearly given up doing the runner and come to a complete stop long before the Police car rammed him.

What sort of car was it? I remember they took Falcons off pursuit duties because the things just couldn't stop.A few years ago we had a drama outside our place early one morning and a Commodore overshot the scene and went up the curb.They basicly have to fit race brakes,then drive quietly around city streets - one day they have to stop hard...doesn't take many brains to see problems there.

[spudchucka]

Everytime a coconut!
Lou

Huh???????????