90% of used car dealers are scum

[Virago]

.........THEY COST ME $300 IN LOST WAGES TRYING TO PICK IT UP FROM THEM........

$300 in lost wages - did you take the whole week off????

[WINJA]

Yeah, I'm scum as well. And now I manage all the other scum, kind of like King Of Scum.

Oh yeah, that 'full service' line. You know if we get caught out the question is, 'so if I got it fully serviced you'd buy the car today, right now?'

SO THATS A STANDARD LIE THEN

[WINJA]

well more fool them --mind you when ya have a list a mile long and wanna pay 500 bucks--wadda ya expect.

IT WASNT A CHEAP CAR AND THE REPAIRS WERE MINOR AND AGREED IN WRITING TO BE DONE AND BY A CERTAIN TIME. THEY HAD 3 DAYS TO DO LESS THAN A DAYS WORK , IT DOESNT HELP WHEN THEY LEAVE IT ALL TO THE LAST MINUTE

[FROSTY:Me]

well WINJA wot can I say. That particular dealer on that day dropped the ball -and it cost the dealership a sale and the salesman possibly a job.
If i sell a car with conditions attached and its time critical I make it 100% clear I cannot promise a delivery time/date. We resolve the issue there and then in the office.My customers pay a deposit and if I can't be certain I can meet their time expectations they are offered a drive car to stop them being inconvenienced.
You mentioned a "little dent' -So dingbusters would have been used and it sounds like it was messed up -The car then needs to go to a panelbeater and be fixed properly -1-3 days by the time its repaired,primed and painted.
The -If i service it will you buy it? line is NOT a lie its a QUESTION.
Again though -define a "full service" --is that ,plugs,oil,oil filter? or is it end to end of the car.--a full service takes at least half a day.

[Lou Girardin]

Just sounds like a lot of the public too......

Thin ice here Scummy, what's with the death metal playing, tat covered, skinhead cop who promotes the elimination of the weak.
Is he up for Commissioner?

[scumdog]

Thin ice here Scummy, what's with the death metal playing, tat covered, skinhead cop who promotes the elimination of the weak.
Is he up for Commissioner?

And the problem with the above guys comments is????

[SARGE]

And the problem with the above guys comments is????

not seeing one personally...

[Swoop]

To all the car dealers out there...
Do you ask to see a drivers licence before a purchase of said motorcar happens???
Why I ask is because speaking with a dealer mate, he reports that a hell of a lot of people (including some of our new migrants) walk in and buy a car without having a drivers licence.
The culture of the dealers is "if I refuse to sell a vehicle then they will walk next door and purchase from the next dealer - and I loose a sale". ALL DEALERS should be adhering to this, but all it takes is one who dosen't and the whole law falls apart.
We keep complaining about the standards of kiwi driving, when a good percentage of the people on our roads shouldn't be on them in the first place.
SOLUTION? Better policing and better judges to enforce.
BONUS: less cars and congestion on roads, higher usage of public transport.

5c less in pocket now! (soon to be 10c...)

[Coyote]

You should take a car out for test drive from them and do some donuts in front of the donut house. Then the cops will run out an take the car for a few months, an you dont get arrested! if you get away. an go past heaps of speed cameras with dealer plate on.

The dealers won't worry about losing your money but if you ever made them lose their money by doing such stuff they will stop at nothing to take that money back from you. It isn't worth it as more often than not the buisness wins. That's the way National and Labour have made it.

[EDIT] This doesn't include all dealers of course, only the many around that do seem to be raping you of your money anyway they can

[Ixion]

Could be lots of valid reasons for someone without a license buying a car. No legal requirement for car buyer to have a licence.

Business owner, no licence himself, buys car to be driven by employee.
Someone pranged car, lost licence, buys new car, wife (or whoever) going to drive them round in it till they get their licence back
Youngster buying car (maye funded by Mum and Dad) as incentive to get licence (works, car sitting in garage makes kid real keen to pass test).
Or, even simpler, no licence, need car to learn. Friend will teach them once they have car . (Not saying friend teaching is a good idea, but it's not illegal)

Bottom line, salesman has to look at bottom line - and it's not a legal requirement for a car buyer to have a licence. Might be a bit dodgier if the salesman arranges insurance but.

[onearmedbandit]

Swoop, impossible to rego a car off it's MR2a, or even do a change of ownership without a current drivers licence. Although if the dealer was shonky they could register it into their own, or someone else's, name. But then the repucussions come back on that person. Even a current o/seas licence will do. I manage a high turnover yard in Chch, we see a lot of o/seas drivers and never have a problem with rego.

Alarumba, we do worry about losing a customers money, shit it's how we pay the bills. In our company we try to under promise and over deliver, but sometimes things happen. We always express to customers this, keep them up to date etc.

And one of the oldest sayings in the industry.

BUYERS ARE LIARS.

Honestly, people say car dealers are scum. 90% of the time when someone wants to trade their car it's because there is something wrong with it. But do they tell you when trading it. No. It's the old 'Nah mate, best one in town, never spent a dime on it'. How about after spending hours, maybe a couple of days negotiating with a client, you've qualified them, found the right car, reached a deal. Put them through to finance and what do you, bad credit, so bad that even if Bill Gates went on the deal with them it would still be declined. Believe me, the public make this game very challenging for us.

But all in all, there are a lot of decent customers out there that make the job worth it. Oh yeah, and the money.

[idb]

90%?
Is there a 10% tolerance?
That would mean that 100% might be scum but the top 10% are allowed to get away with it. We just don't know!
Is there some discretion so that sometimes a greater than 10% tolerance is allowed, then more than 100% of dealers would be scum.
What if the tolerance is reduced to 3% for Public Holidays? Would there be more honest car dealers during those times?
The issues should be debated!!!

[onearmedbandit]

We are all scum, but you keep coming back......

[Lou Girardin]

And thank you to Scummy Goering und Oberfeldwebel Dallas.

[idb]

We are all scum, but you keep coming back......

Scene - smoko room at car dealers

Half a dozen dealers standing in a circle, rubbing hands together and all saying "Mwahahahahahaha....mwahahahahahaha....etc"