Well its the track, but.....Originally Posted by Lou Girardin
normally, doesnt it mean you're commencing a slide along the road?
Forum whore
Well its the track, but.....
normally, doesnt it mean you're commencing a slide along the road?
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Work? I want to go ride!
hehe, I think elbow down means you should be ON the track! (mainly because you probably need slick tyres to get there and they're not road legal)
Mobile Oil Stain
Jezzzz,Ya go for a ride,come back an look what happens.
#1 Rossi is not as good as either hailwood or Ago, Bloody long way to go yet.
As for carrying more corner speed,BS,When good riders go round the outside of knee downs, sliding both wheels that kind'a puts payed to that silly idea.
Don't belive it watch steven brigs and weep.
Put either Ago, or Hailwood on a modern bike an they would still wipe the floor with Rossi.As to modern bikes Blah,blah,blah, Well it's not a new techniqe so forget that little dream on.Ok I will admit I can't stand Kenny bloody Rodgers,BUT when the winingist yank out there Teaches guys to ride
fast on the dirt and then says, now do the same thing on the track and you will win,And people rave about it,Well there's that question again HUH.
And no CK this is not just a wind up,I really want to know why guys scrape their pegs,if you want to gauge your ground clearance why not just use your foot,I mean how can you lead with your shoulder and hip like you should if you have a knee sticking out.Should you not be trying to hold the bike up right thus maintaining max traction while useing your body and the bikes power to stear the bike??---Watch Gary McCoy and tell me you could stay with him.What makes me ask this as much as anything is that I ride my road bike in much the same way as I do my trail bike and I know I am faster on a given road than a few of my mates that ride knee down.And BTW I have tryed both ways and tucking my knee hard into the bike while leading with shoulder and hip useing my foot to gauge ground clearance gives me better corner speed a heaps better control.And the question remains,When the majority of race riders use the knee down tech' but the real stand outs argue against it,why carry on doing it.Apart from FUN,got no arguement with that!!
And BTW Wicked the qestion was nothing to do with getting off the bike,As you are so fond of saying, Read the question.And BTW,if you don't ride on the road I would dear say,Nobody gives a fuck about you or your fantasy based opinion anyway.So maybe you save the crap for something you do know about,Like falling on your ass on a regular basis.
now where's some dirt!
No offence jackrat, but knee down has to be faster. If it wasnt why would all the top motogp and wsbk guys do it?? If there was a faster way i am sure it would have been adopted by now.
Forum whore
Interesting to watch the SM's at Paeroa - the fast guys, Briggs, Flood & co, had their foot out, like trailies, the guys behind were trying to get their knees down, while the last guys got confused and were trying both!
They'd have their fkn work cut out - the boy is good!Put either Ago, or Hailwood on a modern bike an they would still wipe the floor with Rossi.
Hmmm, thats what I do, (old habits die hard). Works a treat unless you're real exuberant and your foot gets whipped off the peg!,if you want to gauge your ground clearance why not just use your foot,
There you have it - road. Highly variable things - most not condusive to track style riding. Wkid liked to get his knee down up the 'taka's (and elsewhere), but a Z1000, or other puchy light naked bike with good bar leverage would probably be as quick or quicker.I ride my road bike in much the same way as I do my trail bike and I know I am faster on a given road than a few of my mates that ride knee down,
The ultimate reply - how can you argue against that?.Apart from FUN,got no arguement with that!!
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
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Well,I'm sorta with you on this one and not Jack - these tossers doing it on the road is only for their ego,but the poor cretins need all the boost they can get - they get into all the trouble you describe because the road is just not the place for it....any reasonable rider - as SPman points out - will be able to just ride around the outside of them on a CB350.
On the technical side it's the tyres that make it not only possible,but necessary.The modern tyre is veeerrry wide - as the bike leans over the contact patch moves out,and the CofG needs to go through the contact patch...so a high CofG is an advantage,moving the body to the inside shifts the CG over the tyre - it's a good move.BMWs are not too good with wide tyres,the low CG is disadvantaged here.
My riding style has changed over the years - I don't sit off the bike...much,or drop my knee - but I have to get forward as far as I can get,sports bikes piss me off because this big tank is in the way - the modern dirt bike has a seat going all the way to the gas cap,that's what I like to do.On my XLV750 I sit right on the nose of the seat,actualy on the tank - the knees are out,but nowhere near the ground!
It all goes back to Kenny Roberts,he took the dirt track style and adapted it to road racing - it needs power and tyres,they are power sliding the bike in the turns,that's why it's not really possible to use this style on the roads,you are in way too deep for road use...but hey - you can pretend,and everyone will think you are...a wanker!
From KR up to Doohan we had a lot of American ex flattrackers as world champs,no coincidence.I hear Rossi has had a lot of dirt experiance - if you can't slide a bike off road....get that knee back in tosser!
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Mobile Oil Stain
All the top riders don't do it.
And faster ways have been adopted,that why I ask the question.
There are two accepted ways of going around a corner fast,The best riders EVER maintain knee down is not the best way.This is not my opinion,it is the PROVEN opinion of most of the worlds best riders.And I'm not talking Valentino
bloody Rossi,The guy hasn't been around long enough to prove anything and only got to were he is today because better riders retied.
And Errrrrrr, no offence taken, Well not when it's coming from a rider any way
Whorem Fore
Still riding - in case you were wondering - just dirt now - not road
And I am glad you took offence
Mobile Oil Stain
Yeah and only you can take a reasonable qestion as a personal attack.
But then you did fuck up on a regular basis,Right.Not my opinion,your own words.And my rear tyre is a 180 so you don't know shit about that either,give it up man this is a conversation for riders,not an argument for pretenders.Your out of your element just like you were on the road.Like get a bike an come back in twenty year when the damp has dryed from behind your ears.And I didn't take offence,I'm having fun at your expence.
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Hardcore Biker
Have to agree with you Jack
Too many posers are trying to copy what the top racers are doing and dont understand why the top GP guys are putting their knee out, they are not hanging off, just check out their lean angle. That might just have something to do with it. I was always taught to stay tucked in unless you needed to tighten your line and then try dropping your knee out as this has the effect of allowing you to tighten your line. I have used this to effect when I used to go bucket racing passing others who were hanging off everywhere and had their knee's on the deck and was actually holding me up in the corners, ending up going around the outside of them still tucked in.
Now a quote from Keith Codes Twist of the Wrist.
" If you dont feel comfortable hanging off, dont do it. You can waste a lot of time and effort trying to work out something you dont need to do. Use hanging off as a tool. When you begin to have ground clearance problems while cornering, or any other problems that could be helped by hanging off, then do it."
There is also a chapter in Twist of the Wrist just for you know who titled
" How to Fall"
Mobile Oil Stain
Thank you thats what I was looking for,An informed and logical reasoning.
I am always looking for opinion backed with reasoning to improve my own riding style and thus hopefully safty.Unfortunatly,often when a question is asked it is interpreted as a statement and we end up with the wickeds of the world,who think they know it all,turning it into a shit fight.
Thanks again.
Whorem Fore
Haven't binned from having my knee on the ground - but will be sure to post it when I have.
At EOD - there a many riding styles. I lurvvvvv draggin my knee as I feel more in touch with the corner and what the bike is doing......so what - my choice. At the end of the day, it is just whether I stick my leg out or not......riding position isn't different. Still swing my hips around the tank and drop inside shoulder regardless of whether the leg is out or not.
Who cares if you do or don't...I too know riders who ride extremely quickly without moving on the bike one bit (or so it looks).....I don't do that as I said just above because I feel more comfortable sliding the knee around the corner - which is the principal reason why I do it.....not for speed or looks - just feel and confidence - it is what I have gotten used to and it has served me well thus far.....so why change.
Shit fight - I think not - you took it to a personal level. I just voiced my opinion - which obviously wasn't the same as yours so was immediately incorrect. Mind you - I should have expected that
As for riding a trailie - well that is just fucking with my head as it a diff tech.......
Whorem Fore
Those pics almost defy physics.....
It always impressed me when you see the GP and SBK boys coming back in after racing with grazes on the fairing from where they have lent it over.
The is a Superb tire add with Rossi showing him on maximum lean - beautiful to behold....
Whorem Fore
Just for Chronological posterity - not a personal attack - noooooo never
Hey and JR - ever thought I am doing exactly the same to you....who is the bigger fool - the one who leads or the one who follows....and sometimes it is just all tooo easy to push your buttonsAnd BTW Wicked the qestion was nothing to do with getting off the bike,As you are so fond of saying, Read the question.And BTW,if you don't ride on the road I would dear say,Nobody gives a fuck about you or your fantasy based opinion anyway.So maybe you save the crap for something you do know about,Like falling on your ass on a regular basis.
And a hint for next time - don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.
Enuf said......
Mobile Oil Stain
I did want an opinion,I didn't need to hear you don't give a fuck about the opinions of others,Where did that come from?And also at no time have I EVER chosen to slag off your bike,Where did that come from.And I got my answer in a polite and informed manner without your input.
Nobody else seems to have had a problem with the question to the extent where they felt moved to insult either my opinion my riding style or my bike.
Only you??????.
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