Why knee down

[wkid_one]

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[Jackrat]

Please say something that surprises me

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[Jackrat]

Please say something that surprises me

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[wkid_one]

I didn't expect that - well done.....

Long drive/ride for a drink tho and it is pissing down down here

[Deano]

So, what about elbow down?
Lou

Ive seen a racing picture where a guy had an elbow down, (and apparently not a millisecond before the rest of the bike either).

It looked quite unreal.

The old traditional style may have been faster back then ?? but Im sure if it was still the go Team Honda would be doing it (or that Yamaha rider Rossi something...)

[Two Smoker]

For me having my knee down or hanging off the bike gives me more confidence and feels better it also relays more information to me. I dont know if it is faster because of my inexperience so far.

When i hang of the bike i dont feel like im pushing it to the limit, but when hugging the tank im scared it might low side but that could just be a mind battle.

[Deano]

It all goes back to Kenny Roberts,he took the dirt track style and adapted it to road racing - it needs power and tyres,they are power sliding the bike in the turns,that's why it's not really possible to use this style on the roads,you are in way too deep for road use...but hey - you can pretend,and everyone will think you are...a wanker!

From KR up to Doohan we had a lot of American ex flattrackers as world champs,no coincidence.I hear Rossi has had a lot of dirt experiance - if you can't slide a bike off road....get that knee back in tosser!

Didn't Doohan slide his knee and drift both tyres (front going in and rear spinning out to get MAX angle)

Rossi has learnt a lot from Doohan and doesn't he also use both of the above
techniques ??

Now I hate to give you Honda SP knockers any ammo - but being only 75kg on a 200kg bike, I feel much more comfortable with a bit of arse off the seat and knee out.

[Kickaha]

Having just spent the day at the track I would have to say,I think hanging off the bike and knee out feels far better when it comes to changing direction,but doesn't automatically mean a higher corner speed.

I very rarely drag my knee and once it touches down normally lift it slightly and so do most guys I race with,I do know several people who have saved themselves from binning it by using there knee to pick there bikes back up when they've started to lose it (RS125 mostly)

Knee down riding on the road? sorry but I think its just a big Wank!

[Deano]

Having just spent the day at the track I would have to say,I think hanging off the bike and knee out feels far better when it comes to changing direction,but doesn't automatically mean a higher corner speed.

I very rarely drag my knee and once it touches down normally lift it slightly and so do most guys I race with,I do know several people who have saved themselves from binning it by using there knee to pick there bikes back up when they've started to lose it (RS125 mostly)

Riding on the road? sorry but I think its just a big Wank!

Once again, try a 200kg bike through twisties with no body momentum...

[speedpro]

I've watched Briggsy and others hooning round the Mt Wellington track on their motards. Totally awesome on that little track , , , but wait, what's this?? It's Rick on his XR200/125 bucket/motard trying to get up the inside, with a knee more or less down and holding more corner speed, he has to as the 125 can't keep up in the straights. Also when riding round that track, in the dry, with good tyres even when hanging off you can still scrape the side stand tang on a Kwaka100 and the leather on the side of your boot, not the sole. If you didn't hang off, with your knee sticking out the bike would have to be leaned even further over which isn't possible as the side stand tang is already scraping.
If a modern bike with it's wider tyres went round a corner at the same speed as an older bike with narrower tyres it would be leaned over further, I think mainly because of the wider tyre and the problem as mentioned of the contact patch moving away from the centre line of the bike.
There used to be a GP rider a few years ago who used to regularly scrape his elbows to the extent that he used to wear "elbow scrapers". On a 250 I think.

[Deano]

For me having my knee down or hanging off the bike gives me more confidence and feels better it also relays more information to me. I dont know if it is faster because of my inexperience so far.

When i hang of the bike i dont feel like im pushing it to the limit, but when hugging the tank im scared it might low side but that could just be a mind battle.

Surely, there is less chance of low siding when hangin off ??

Angle, centrifugal force........PHYSICS BOY - where are you when we need you ??

Perhaps with the higher corner speeds these days in motogp, Rossi uses his knee as a sail on the inside to help drag him round the corner.

Wkid, when r u back on the road ? Didn't realise u were local ?

[Kickaha]

Once again, try a 200kg bike through twisties with no body momentum...

I've done just that on both a Darmah and a R75/7,a bit of countersteer works wonders.

[Two Smoker]

Surely, there is less chance of low siding when hangin off ??

Angle, centrifugal force........PHYSICS BOY - where are you when we need you ??

Exactly, with the small cost of new sliders after a while, it could be saving you hundreds of dollars in repair bills for the lower cowling But if you arent pushing it hard there aint no point of hanging it out.

[Deano]

I've done just that on both a Darmah and a R75/7,a bit of countersteer works wonders.

Believe me, Im using countersteer, pegs and body weight (Paekakariki Hill - maybe you should try and keep up with cycosis (who incidentally doesn't get off the seat - but then again his 600 goes around corners by simply thinking about it !!)

[SPman]

It seems to be pissing down all around