Kids and men on planes.

[James Deuce]

Sort of funny in an ironic way that after years of marginalizing anyone who wasn't white middle-class and male, the white middle class male finds himself on the other end of the stick and complains loudly.

Not that I agree with what the airlines have done. On the other hand I can understand it. Those who are loudest in their ridicule of this latest PC silliness would be the first to hire a lawyer if their own child was molested on a flight...

And the correct course of action would be to let my child continue to be molested and the molester go unchecked? I'm not sure that I understand the logic behind that comment Mike, just as I am NOT convinced that active discrimination is a way to "punish" those "guilty" of belonging to a "class" previously described and labelled as the discriminators. I'm 40 and I've only experienced negative discrimination against my "class" and gender. White, male, and middle aged, means you are to blame for everything - excessive health care spending, attitudes to violence in society, inability to commit to relationships thereby causing emotional distress for children, not paying enough tax to maintain an increasingly over-balanced welfare system, and now a defined and labelled threat to all children.

I have a disabled child like Grahameeboy and I have acess to no help whatsoever, despite earning less than the national average for household earnings in NZ, because those earning are a single income. I have two other children to support as well. But my disabled child needs grommets, so we have to go privately to get them done, so that we can maximise his potential hearing, which will never be that good as it is a part of his condition. I have to pay for it, which I'll have to borrow money to do, thereby reducing the available cash in my household and affecting everyone else. But I guess I deserve it for being male and subscribing to "white middle-class values".

I'll look forward to the 7am door knock from CYF now then shall I?

[ManDownUnder]

What exactly were you doing at the playground MDU?

Sitting on a park bench. Eyeing little girls with bad intent.

Playing with my kids - pun fully intended due to my occasional scurrilous outbursts on here.

There are a number of things I hold sacred - one of them is the right for children to live in a safe society. If they don't feel safe - they're going to grow up and maintain a society where they, and as a consequence, their kids, don't feel safe. Get the kiddie fiddlers and chop their nuts/hands off. Give them a lobotomy... Do whatever it takes to get them off the streets and away from the kids.

Let the rest of us be grown up about it - helping kids as appropriate, where, when and how they need it. I used to have a strong opinion on this, but since I've had a couple of kids of my own that's changed - it's gotten even stronger.

CaN - I have to admit I saw red the first time I read your post, but I know you better than that and the irony and wit are welcome - hence the wording of the opening stanza of this reply.

[Karma]

Whatever happened to the idea of innocent until proven guilty?

Seems that society always needs a scapegoat for it's problems. Just seems at the moment they can blame their childrens behavoural problems on the lack of paternal figure.

Ever noticed the fact that so many custody rulings automatically go to the mother?

There once was a time when blacks weren't allowed to sit next to anyone, then they had problems with hippys, then ravers, now it seems to be men who are the big bad.

Well if they want to be like that... I'd say fuck'em make them unload all my baggage and refund my ticket price.

Oh, and it could be worse... could be arabic, then you'd be a violent terrorist child molesting wife beater.

Society sucks.

[Marmoot]

You people aren't yellow, you're a sort of brown colour. I've never understood why we call you yellow bastards. You should be lumped in with all the other brown bastards.

I never understood either. They keep calling me people yellow.
To quote someone in the past, the correct words were "yellow little piece o' sh1t".

but fer sure we ain't no niggas either, bro! Ain't no brown like Bobby Brown does.
If we iz brown, then we iz niggaz! and we be in prison by now. Ain't no kiwibiker internet in prison.


(EDIT)....sorry, just got confirmation from me mates, niggaz are black. Apology for misinformation (/EDIT)

[Marmoot]

Nah, they are kind of yellow.

I'm looking at the Chinese engineer at the desk next to me right now (hi Jack!) and comparing him to the Indian one who sits across from us, and he definitely has a sort of citrus tinge to his complexion. Not what I'd call brown, per se.

What gets me, though, is calling whiteys 'white'.

Ha ha, LOL... I like the 'citrus tinge' part. Now stop tasting your workmates please.

[froggyfrenchman]

ive spent quite some time in the past few years as a scout leader. With all the drama we have to go through, i can be in deep shit if i put my hand on a kids shoulder to get their attention. Its all crap really!

Oh, and no scout leader jokes please...

[ManDownUnder]

ive spent quite some time in the past few years as a scout leader. With all the drama we have to go through, i can be in deep shit if i put my hand on a kids shoulder to get their attention. Its all crap really!

What about the women leaders of the scouts (if there are any) or the women leaders of the Guides? Would they be ok to do it? (Not a loaded q - genuinely interested)

[Lou Girardin]

The whole "keep kids safe" is a nonsense anyway. Remember "stranger danger", a popular strategy among social workers until it became clear that kids were at far more risk from their own families.
Life is inherently dangerous, wrapping kids in cotton wool is leading to a generation which, for the first time, will have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.
The perpetuation of a society living in fear suits certain political stategies and it's being aided by a lazy media who only tell part of the story.

[The Stranger:Me]

Yeah, I knew you were pretty fired up and thought twice.

Mate I know what you are talking about and how you feel.
Way I see it is to hell with it, as long as we have this lot in parliment we are going to have to put up with it, the writing has been on the wall for the last 2 terms, no good getting stressed we have bought it on ourselves.
I shall simply do what I consider to be right by the kid and screw the PC lot.

Mind you good excuse to get you out of bathing the kids.

[tracyprier]

Sort of funny in an ironic way that after years of marginalizing anyone who wasn't white middle-class and male, the white middle class male finds himself on the other end of the stick and complains loudly.

Not that I agree with what the airlines have done. On the other hand I can understand it. Those who are loudest in their ridicule of this latest PC silliness would be the first to hire a lawyer if their own child was molested on a flight...

Well I've never marginalised anyone.... marginalised... no one in this country knows the meaning of the word!

Go vist Tibet some time and see how well the Chinese treat the native Tibetans.

People who spout off about marginalisation in this country are just precious, politically correct no-nothings.

[Devil]

I couldn't believe what I was reading. If I was asked to shift I think the words "balls", "suck" and "my" would probably be involved in the reply.

[ManDownUnder]

People who spout off about marginalisation in this country are just precious, politically correct no-nothings.

But does that mean we should do nothing about it until it becomes just as extreme?

[idb]

Apparently the hostess had to ask a woman who was sitting with her husband to change seats with this bloke.
Then told the fella that it was CAA regulations when in fact it was airline's own rules.
A pretty uncomfortable situation for all involved I'd say - I admit I don't think I would make too much of a fuss at the time - especially with the poor kid sitting next to me.

[FEINT]

dua bulan sepuluh hari short of giving birth.

Btw, I like flying with Singapore Airlines coz the flight crew always manage to keep me away from paedophile/homosexual imagination
Every airlines should be like that.

Ah Singapore Airlines.... Sangat Gembira.

[Meathorse]

First thing I'd ask the flight attendant (assuming they're a woman):

"Oh, you'd better keep clear of the child too then - after all a slut such as yourself is likely to distort this childs moral upbringing to believe that hot-monkey sex with dozens of strange men is in fact normal behaviour..... oh you're not a slut? But there are so many sluts in the world today we'd best be careful - now please move away from the child!"

I don't know if anyone else caught it, but there was a Doco on TV1 a few weeks ago about personality. One of the tests they performed was designed as a test of empathy - the ability to imagine how someone else feels (or putting yourself in someone elses shoes).

They placed a young girl (around 8-10yo) on a busy street corner by herself for a couple of hours. Those people with a strong sense of empathy would stop and see if she was alright, where were her parents etc. Of the dozens who walked past, not a single guy stopped - when the camera crew approached them and asked why they walked by, they responded that it was too much of a personal risk for them to approach a small girl by herself.


The biggest problem I have with all this is where to draw the line - when does helping a child become more important than the risk of accusations? Plus, what's all this doing for the kids - some poor girl can't tie her shoelaces so asks an adult for help only to be refused time and time again - what is she supposed to think and will she bother to ask for help when it really matters?!

**Off topic: Oh, I love the new edit function!**