This stumped me

[Ixion]

When cannons first shot lead balls the only thing that could be predicted about their accuracy to the target was that the balls would move in a forward direction.

Later on some genius decided that by elongating the balls they would cut through the air a bit better, they did but accuracy wasn't that greatly improved.

Until another genius figured out that spinning the projectile keeps it going a lot straighter.

The scoring of barrels was first done to the barrels of very early cannons.

This caused the projectiles to spin as they came out and gave them a greater firing range and greater accuracy - by spinning at a very high speed they sort of stay on course for a longer duration. Gyroscopic forces or something.......

Sniper -did your sniper rifles have those spiral indentations inside the barrel??

Cannon (and carronades) very rarely if ever shot lead balls. Stone (common in the East, especially Turkey, or iron. Very occasionally bronze in small bores.

The ball was not elongated until after the introduction of rifling, since an elongated form in a smoothbore would tumble end over end in flight.

Rifling was first introduced in pistols around C17. Very expensive with the grooves cut by hand. Impractical for cannon until the C19 invention of the modern form of shell with a band to engage the grooves, and machinery to cut the grooves (imagine grooving a cannon by hand!)

[Indiana_Jones]

a fellow employee who is slightly sad and has most the day to think up stupid questions like these.

"Would bullets still be called rounds if they were square?"

GOT TIME?

I WANNA LOVE YOU BUT I BETTER NOT TOUCH!

-Indy

[What?]

Cannon (and carronades) very rarely if ever shot lead balls. Stone (common in the East, especially Turkey, or iron. Very occasionally bronze in small bores.

The ball was not elongated until after the introduction of rifling, since an elongated form in a smoothbore would tumble end over end in flight.

Absolutely correct. The first rifling was done by hand, but it was quickly realised that this method was incompatible with the human desire to kill as many of his neighbours as possible in the shortest possible time, so mechanised methods were developed.
The term "round" indeed relates to the load and fire cycle. Stems from the days of match lock muskets and cannons. Even now, strictly speaking, the term has the same meaning, but has an eject phase added.

[spudchucka]

Two gun threads in one week, love it. Who was it that said the liked KB because there were never any gun threads? Kinda jinxed the place perhaps.

[Sniper]

Sniper -did your sniper rifles have those spiral indentations inside the barrel??

Yep, definetly. I can confirm that because of the idiot I once knew who looked down the barrel of my rifle while I was setting up for the range.

[Sniper]

Two gun threads in one week, love it. Who was it that said the liked KB because there were never any gun threads? Kinda jinxed the place perhaps.

Its makes KB a happier place when we get to talk about the wonders that are firearms and their ballistics.

[Sniper]

Sniper, this guy is seriously boring - don't get sucked into his vortex.

Fuck mate, the amount of shit this guy talks, Im amazed he hit 30 :eyepoke: Still, I have to work with him so ........

[scumdog]

Absolutely correct. The first rifling was done by hand, but it was quickly realised that this method was incompatible with the human desire to kill as many of his neighbours as possible in the shortest possible time, so mechanised methods were developed.
The term "round" indeed relates to the load and fire cycle. Stems from the days of match lock muskets and cannons. Even now, strictly speaking, the term has the same meaning, but has an eject phase added.

I bet that idb is just fair salivating and rubbing his hands together as all this exciting information flows in....... eh Ian??

Keep it coming guys!!

[scumdog]

Just to add to the joy that idb is experiencing right now I thought I'd post this fascinating piece of information, oh the bliss of the modern websites!

"The Dardick weapons family comprises a series of handgun and carbine models which
were designed the revolutionary "tround" concept of ammunition." ...
www.wapahani.com/pistols2.html -

I bet you joy knows no bounds on reading THIS information eh??

[Sniper]

I bet you joy knows no bounds on reading THIS information eh??

You never know, this information may come in handy when you have a drunken quiz night one day.

[idb]

Oh yes, uh huh, very enlightening.
Pardon me while I pop over to see what's happening on the "Should I have a pee before getting on my bike or wait 'til I get home" thread............could be something good going on that I'm missing.

[kro]

Tell this guy to do something productive, like search for pictures of naked women.

Weasel speaks wisdom, listen to him.

[idb]

Weasel speaks wisdom, listen to him.

It's going off in the other thread - don't waste your time here.

[scumdog]

Oh yes, uh huh, very enlightening.
Pardon me while I pop over to see what's happening on the "Should I have a pee before getting on my bike or wait 'til I get home" thread............could be something good going on that I'm missing.

See, you looked at the other thread and it was worse, - should have stayed here and lern't summat, I mean when the fuzzy-wuzzies hordes come over the horizon and you can't get you Brown Bess loaded and you forgot to order trounds instead of rounds for your Dardick...where ya going t' be then?? In big trouble!! - JUST because you didn't stay on this thread

[idb]

See, you looked at the other thread and it was worse, - should have stayed here and lern't summat, I mean when the fuzzy-wuzzies hordes come over the horizon and you can't get you Brown Bess loaded and you forgot to order trounds instead of rounds for your Dardick...where ya going t' be then?? In big trouble!! - JUST because you didn't stay on this thread

You present a compelling case SD - must be the legal training.
Still, I think we've really got something going in the other thread.
Also, it might change as I get older but my Dardick is always loaded.........