Drunk Cagers

**spudchucka** · 5th March 2004, 12:28

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Eggsxacttamundo, you catch on quick. Better cost/revenue ratio.
Shame that more nasties are about at night.
Lou

Thats just your one eyed outlook at work again Lou. There are so many counter arguements that it is hardly worth the bother to raise them all.

Heres a few:

Due to the volume of traffic there are more crashes during daylight hours. Then there are the general, day to day enquiries that need to be made during daylight hours because thats when people are awake. Court operates during daylight hours. Shoplifters opeate during daylight hours. Many burglaries are committed during daylight hours when people like you are at work.

The general duties branch work around a 24 hour rotating roster, usually made up of 5 - 6 groups of 7 - 10 cops. There are periods during the day that have groups overlaping, ie: between late shift and night shift there is often a 4 hour overlap, meaning that there are more on the street at the critical times between midnight and 0400 hrs. The reason being that the pubs empty out during this time frame and this is when there is a lot of street disorder and drunks on the road.

Additional to this you have other specialist units working at various different times of the day dependant on what the units are tasked with. Dog handlers tend to work more late shifts and night shifts because as you rightly point out there are more "nasties" out at that time. CIB work days and lates and are on call for serious matters as do forensics and photographers. And yes the CVIU and the Highway Patrol roster themselves on to operate when the traffic is heaviest and at times when problems are known to occur because of past history.

Common sense would tell anybody that didn't have a grudge that the cops roster their units around when they get the most business. Your problem is that you belive that the only business the cops are interested in is revenue. Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it but it is just plain wrong!

**spudchucka** · 5th March 2004, 12:37

One could try making a citizen's arrest considering the drug offense (alcohol) and that they might drive off and kill some poor innocent!

I would strongly advise you not to consider this option.

One of the most dangerous things the cops do on a day to day basis is stopping vehicles. There is simply no way of knowing who is in that vehicle or what they are capable of. Case in point: Highway cop who got shot in Hastings recently.

Good on you for wanting to take action but you will most likely end up beaten up or worse. As Lou said in his own cynical way, leave it to the cops. They have the powers under the law to deal with it and they have the training and tools to manage things if the driver turns stroppy.

**Lou Girardin** · 5th March 2004, 13:51

Let's just look at HP and STU and keep all the red herrings out of the issue. The fact is, there are more of these guys on duty during the day!
Lou

**Two Smoker** · 5th March 2004, 13:56

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Let's just look at HP and STU and keep all the red herrings out of the issue. The fact is, there are more of these guys on duty during the day!
Lou

The STU are generally rostered for the 0700-1500 shift or the 1500-2300 shift and the occasional 1700-0100 shift

The STU units also rotate through Boy Racer Patrol out in South Auckland.

but from the hours of 0700-2300 is when most people are out driving and that is when the STU are out in force. Wouldn't it be stupid if the STU was rostered for the graveyard shift when they would literally only see the odd car......

And if that odd car was speeding by a little (lets say 61-70) the chances of getting a ticket are very low.

**Zed** · 5th March 2004, 14:31

Originally Posted by spudchucka

I would strongly advise you not to consider this option.

I wouldn't recommend it either, but it is an option if things get out of hand when there are no police around.

BTW there are plenty of able people in our society who are capable of making a citizens arrest! Maybe a couple of drunkards in a Wellsford service station is not a good example, but if someone broke into my home and assulted one of my family members I would attempt to "arrest" him, for lack of a better word!

Zed

**spudchucka** · 5th March 2004, 16:54

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Let's just look at HP and STU and keep all the red herrings out of the issue. The fact is, there are more of these guys on duty during the day!
Lou

If your beef if with the STU CVIU, why don't you say that. You constantly refer to the "police", which is a hell of a lot bigger organisation than that, if you have a specific problem then be specific about it.

If you are bagging the CVIU for not turning up when your house get burgles, it's probably because they wouldn't know what to do when they got there. Many of those guys are ex MOT and have been working in that area since the merger and have probably never attended a burglary.

They have a specific skill set and they are tasked to deliver relevant to that skill set.

The fact that these guys work more day shifts is stating the obvious, why would they work when there is no traffic on the roads??

**spudchucka** · 5th March 2004, 16:57

Originally Posted by Zed

I wouldn't recommend it either, but it is an option if things get out of hand when there are no police around.

BTW there are plenty of able people in our society who are capable of making a citizens arrest! Maybe a couple of drunkards in a Wellsford service station is not a good example, but if someone broke into my home and assulted one of my family members I would attempt to "arrest" him, for lack of a better word!

Zed

You just need to be sure of what you are doing and why. You could get yourself in a power of trouble not to mention badly hurt. With the number of people on P these days the risks are very real.

And yes if someone was breaking into my house and my family was at risk, I would do exactly the same thing and happily suffer what ever consequences there were.

**Lou Girardin** · 6th March 2004, 05:26

The public refer to the 'Police' because that is all they are interested in. They want cops to show up at their burgled houses and they want their road accidents attended. They don't give a fat rats arse about STU, CVIU, CUNT or any of the other acronyms. All the public see are lots of traffic cops and not many others, and it's Police managements job to deal with that perception.
The MOT managed to have as many T/O's rostered for evening shifts as daytime, why can't this lot.
Unless, of course, it is all about revenue.
Lou

**spudchucka** · 6th March 2004, 13:01

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

The public refer to the 'Police' because that is all they are interested in. They want cops to show up at their burgled houses and they want their road accidents attended. They don't give a fat rats arse about STU, CVIU, CUNT or any of the other acronyms. All the public see are lots of traffic cops and not many others, and it's Police managements job to deal with that perception.
The MOT managed to have as many T/O's rostered for evening shifts as daytime, why can't this lot.
Unless, of course, it is all about revenue.
Lou

The MOT only had one job to do - traffic.

Did they have to attend domestics? Did they have to deal with the drunken dissorder that occurs every Thursday, Friday, Saturday nights? No!!!

Personally I would love to see a seperate traffic branch again but theres about as much chance of that happening as you getting over this revenue gathering nonsense.

Oh and by the way for what its worth, many of the Inspectors & Superintendants that are making policy decisions, running the HP, Traffic Alcohol groups and CVIU are ex MOT.

One last thing, I don't see why you have to chuck in the C**T word.

**Two Smoker** · 6th March 2004, 14:05

Originally Posted by spudchucka

The MOT only had one job to do - traffic.

Did they have to attend domestics? Did they have to deal with the drunken dissorder that occurs every Thursday, Friday, Saturday nights? No!!!

Oh and by the way for what its worth, many of the Inspectors & Superintendants that are making policy decisions, running the HP, Traffic Alcohol groups and CVIU are ex MOT.

This is true that the ex-MOT guys in the commisioned ranks are making this crap decisions (mainly from pressure above them), BUT alot of ex MOT staff in the units on the field are pissed about the current policy, and the way things are done.

As your comment about the MOT not having to attend domestics, is irralivant due to the fact the most STU CVIU or HP guys do not deal with domestics.

With Lou's comment about the fact that people SEEM to see heaps of Cop cars that are doing traffic is because you(the public) like them (the Traffic Branch) are generally on main passage ways etc. If you go out to the back streets you will see alot of Police cars doing General duties in the suburbs because that is where the problems for burglaries etc are commited there.

**Two Smoker** · 6th March 2004, 14:08

But enough of this shit, its starting to turn nasty

Lou i agree with some of the things you say and Spud i agree with some of the things you say, this arguement isn't going to do shit all.....

So how bout we shake hands and get on and talk about bikes

Unless we carry the arguement on with less anger?????

**spudchucka** · 6th March 2004, 14:31

Originally Posted by Two Smoker

But enough of this shit, its starting to turn nasty

Lou i agree with some of the things you say and Spud i agree with some of the things you say, this arguement isn't going to do shit all.....

So how bout we shake hands and get on and talk about bikes

Unless we carry the arguement on with less anger?????

I agree that this thread will go nowhere; but as long as Lou or anyone else keeps dropping off the cuff derogitory comments about the police that I see as being unjustified then I'll respond.

Shake hands - no worries, I'm not trying to start a fight, just offer an alternative view point.

**Lou Girardin** · 6th March 2004, 15:46

The C*#T was an attempt at facetiousness, not intended to be derogatory to any person or thing. My most grovelling apologies to anyone offended.
Lou

**igor** · 6th March 2004, 16:29

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

The C*#T was an attempt at facetiousness, not intended to be derogatory to any person or thing. My most grovelling apologies to anyone offended.
Lou

looks like we got a few cops and ther kin on this board picking on ya.

the way u wah on it sounds like u r ex-MOT/ACC and still got a bad bad case of sour grapes about the merger and not being able to handle the take over and having to leave cause life was to hard for ya.