Bike vs Car cornering speeds?

[bugjuice]

did you guys see top gear when they raced the ariel atom (300bhp, 452kg) against a bike with a similar power to weight ratio? the car wasted the bike because it has around four times the contact area of rubber on the road. but the ariel atom is pretty much a road legal go kart (see the pic attached). a decent car will be more stable, have higher downforce and much more grip on the road than a bike

generally a sports car can beat a bike if the driver is awesome, but the guy on the bike will be having waaaaaaay more fun

(not that anyone here is condoning street racing or anything)

ok, that was a little bit wrong. You can't race two machines that are 'equal' on power-to-weight ratio, cos first up, that doesn't work, and secondly, the 1.8 supercharged Atom vs a stock CBR600RR just aren't in the same league. JC compared the power output of the Atom to that of a Ferrari. Would you pitch the same CBR600 against a Ferrari?

[robnz]

what do you expect. clarkson would never allow himself to be beaten by a bike of any sort

[bigbadwolf]

what do you expect. clarkson would never allow himself to be beaten by a bike of any sort

lol thats true. but dam i'd love to have an atom... mmm... 600bhp per tonne.... of course if i took it out on the back roads i'd run through 3 powerpoles, a fence, someone's barn and a few sheep before exploding and dying in a bloody mess, but it would be fun up until that point

[justsomeguy]

I went down SH16 on Sunday with a guy who used to do speedway racing at Onehunga in a bog standard nissan stagea rs4 - completely wasted a red 04/03 636 --- until we came upon some traffic and he dissappeared.

Was funny seeing the fella in his flashy leathers look into his mirrors and seeing a dirty old silver wagon in it

[bugjuice]

yeah, but spin that round. Get an average guy in a car and a good rider..
you can't compare like that..

and for the record, can I point out, yes I was down SH16 last weekend, but that bike was red

[loosebruce]

It all comes down to the person behind the wheel or riding the bike at the end of the day, i gave a 911 turbo the learn over Kopu - Hikuai on the GSXR, but i'm sure with a competent driver behind the wheel, it would've been me chasing him.
Its just that in my time i've come up against some fast cars, but never the driver behind the wheel to drive the car fast emough to hassle me. One day though i will meet one, i know a car has a good advantage over a bike in terms of grip/braking, those that are saying yeah right, car faster than bike are just taking the piss out of yourself, wise up.

[justsomeguy]

and for the record, can I point out, yes I was down SH16 last weekend, but that bike was red

That fella looked bigger than you and he wore red/black/whitish leathers.

Or was it you?? Do ya remember being chased by a silver station wagon???

[bugjuice]

no, wasn't me.. I don't get chased by cages
plus Postie was on the back.

[Motu]

those that are saying yeah right, car faster than bike are just taking the piss out of yourself, wise up.

Nah,you better wise up - if you ever come across a fast car with a very good driver you will never see them.It's just most of the people we come across who can afford to drive a fast car are real old farts who couldn't give a toss about going fast.How many Lambo's have you seen in Auckland city?.....heaps eh?...how many Lambo's have you seen on SH22?...SFA.Hang your ego up with the toothpaste leathers,a car will cream a bike,ask Schumacher which is fastest,or Rossi....both have ridden and driven both.

[flash]

you cant keep comparing a f1 with a gp bike. a bike is only 1L, while a f1 is 8L and can use aerodynamics better to stay upright on corners.

remember a f1 car has so much down force, it can drive upside down...

Go the bikes!!

[Motu]

you cant keep comparing a f1 with a gp bike. a bike is only 1L, while a f1 is 8L and can use aerodynamics better to stay upright on corners.

remember a f1 car has so much down force, it can drive upside down...

Go the bikes!!

So stop complaining and make an 8 litre bike with aerodynamics! For fucks sake - it's a CAR! it has 4 wheels,4 brakes room for a huge engine and can have a body with all sorts of tricks - THAT IS THE ADVANTAGE!!!!!

An F1 car is 2.5 litres and V8.

[WINJA]

Race ya from Kopu to Whitianga on Riff Raffs SV, that'll learn ya.

Edit: For the record, Performance Bikes tested a heavily moddified WRX angainst a GS500 and a GSXR1000. tested the cornering between all three on a constant radius circle, the car was howling tyres, switching between understeer/oversteer, barely managing to hold a line. Even the lowly GS could choose whether to ride 'round it or duck up the inside. The only place the car out performed either bike was in braking.

THEY ALSO TESTED THE NSX AGAINST A BLADE , IT WAS NO CONTEST THE BIKE KILLED IT , SO JUST IMAGINE HOW MUCH FURTHER BEHIND THE NSX WOULD HAVE BEEN IF IT WAS RACING A GOOD BIKE LIKE A GIXXER

[flash]

So stop complaining and make an 8 litre bike with aerodynamics! For fucks sake - it's a CAR! it has 4 wheels,4 brakes room for a huge engine and can have a body with all sorts of tricks - THAT IS THE ADVANTAGE!!!!!

An F1 car is 2.5 litres and V8.

im not complaining, im just saying you cant compare them. its like comparing a plane with a boat (sorter)

[korowetere]

I had no idea what a can of worms I was opening :slap:

[justsomeguy]

THEY ALSO TESTED THE NSX AGAINST A BLADE , IT WAS NO CONTEST THE BIKE KILLED IT , SO JUST IMAGINE HOW MUCH FURTHER BEHIND THE NSX WOULD HAVE BEEN IF IT WAS RACING A GOOD BIKE LIKE A GIXXER

This thread deals with CORNERING SPEEDS a proper sports car will be faster anyday.