Lawyers and the school system

**Skyryder** · 10th December 2005, 19:33

The problem is that only the Board of Trustees can expel students. There is a 'process' that must have occured before this can happen. Should the school be in breach of this 'process' then the responsibility will fall on the principle as it is his role to see that the due process has taken place before the student and the offence is placed before the board. The school also has to find a place for the student and this is not always easy.

The day will come when a parent of a well behaved student will commence proceedings against a school. The two issues that come to mind is exam failure where the school will be held accountable for not providing adequote education due to too many disruptive students. The second one will be not providing a safe environment for the student who had been subjected to bullying. This may be physical or text bullying.

Skyryder

**oldrider** · 10th December 2005, 22:06

Originally Posted by TwoSeven

I've never in my few decades on the planet met any 'failures'. I have however seen plenty of schools crap at teaching. Yes, more money should be spent on teachning schools to do their jobs - some are piss poor at it anyhow (probably what you get from a system run by a comittee of parents).

It is often said that: A camel is a horse designed by a committee!

More money should be spent on: Teachers that do their jobs!

Less money should be spent on: Teachers who do not do their jobs!

It is called: Bulk funding and schools get more money for higher performance!

Opposed vehemently by Unions: The champions of mediocrity!

Lawyers are taking advantage of our stupidity and simply: Growing the business!

Are "we" as a nation going to allow this to continue: YES DAMN IT! :slap: We are such bloody socialist fools! John.

**Ixion** · 11th December 2005, 00:36

Originally Posted by oldrider

It is often said that: A camel is a horse designed by a committee!

More money should be spent on: Teachers that do their jobs!

Less money should be spent on: Teachers who do not do their jobs!

It is called: Bulk funding and schools get more money for higher performance!

Opposed vehemently by Unions: The champions of mediocrity!

Lawyers are taking advantage of our stupidity and simply: Growing the business!

Are "we" as a nation going to allow this to continue: YES DAMN IT! :slap: We are such bloody socialist fools! John.

Unions do not oppose bulk funding. Only the *teachers* unions, which are not real unions- they are bourgois pseudo-unions.And unions are never "champions of mediocrity" . Unions want the best for their members, because ultimately that means the best for society. If NZ really was a socialist state , all of these issues would be quickly resolved. (a Kalashnikov up the nose concentrates the mind wonderfully)

**kro** · 11th December 2005, 07:09

Its my experience in being immediately related to two teachers, as well as my own observations, that a huge percentage our schools "failures", or "disruptive kids" are primarily a result of poor parenting. No big surprises there.
This is not localised to low socio-economic groups(fancy term for poor people), but is spread across a pretty wide range of folks, and stems mainly from a lack of willingness from the parents to enforce appropriate discipline at home.

The soft cock, tree hugger "no smacking" brigade are steadily destroying the way children view authority in this world, by making children unafraid of consequences, because the consequences are soft, and easy to deal with.
When I stepped out of line as a youngin, I received a short sharp smack across the arm or bottom, and I damn well thought hard about whether I'd repeating the action that earned it. In no way did that upbringing foster violence in me, I have a clean police record, a wife and 2 fantastic children, who are all happy and content, and even though I employ the same methods of discipline on my children, they are excelling, and happy at school, and love their Dad with a passion.

Blame the soft-cock tree huggers and lazy parents, and leave the lawyers to deal with issues that aren't a bandaid for someone elses stuff-up. Its just typical NZ bullshite to pussy foot around the obvious, and try to legislate, instead of taking real action.

**Skyryder** · 11th December 2005, 07:26

Originally Posted by oldrider

It is often said that: A camel is a horse designed by a committee!

More money should be spent on: Teachers that do their jobs!

Less money should be spent on: Teachers who do not do their jobs!

It is called: Bulk funding and schools get more money for higher performance!

Opposed vehemently by Unions: The champions of mediocrity!

Lawyers are taking advantage of our stupidity and simply: Growing the business!

Are "we" as a nation going to allow this to continue: YES DAMN IT! :slap: We are such bloody socialist fools! John.

At present teachers co-operate not only with teachers from their own school's but also teachers from other schools. Teachers do have a performance base set for them and reviewed by their peers. Peer reviews are taken seriously where professional standards are rigously applied.

Those of the public who see Bulk Funding as a pancea for our education woes have very little idea of how a school works. And there is a 'big' difference between Government's policy on education and how the school applies that policy to educate their students. Many bulk funding proponents are from the buisness and private sector and try and to impose a buisness model in a non buisness environment. To use an analogy a buisness might produce an article which it designs from start to finish but if the raw materials are of poor quality no matter how well designed the product is it will not perform to expected standards. Only a fool would try and fix the problem with a new design. No they would go back to the source of the problem the production of the raw material. The education system in this respect is no different. Bulk funding proponents are trying to fix the problem with a 'redesigned' education system instead of fixing the problem at the raw material source.

The education system has no control over the quality of the 'raw material' They have to deal with what society produces. And production has deterioted since Rodgernomics.

Should bulk funding of teachers saleries ever be introduced that co-operation that now exists in our education system will be permently 'destroyed' and the education of our youth will suffer bedause of it.

Skyryder

PS Old rider wrote. It is often said that: A camel is a horse designed by a committee!

The committee designated different roles for both knowing full well that either one is unable to perform in all environments.

This country needs a few committees with such wisdom instead of the Buisness Roundtable who only see one solutiuon (competition) market forces for all problems.

**oldrider** · 11th December 2005, 08:20

Who or what is the business round table? :eyepoke:

Skyrider, you sound just like my sister!

Got to go now on a 4x4 cruise.

Cheers John.

**Pixie** · 11th December 2005, 10:40

Originally Posted by TwoSeven

I've never in my few decades on the planet met any 'failures'. I have however seen plenty of schools crap at teaching. Yes, more money should be spent on teachning schools to do their jobs - some are piss poor at it anyhow (probably what you get from a system run by a comittee of parents).

Failure doesn't exist in 21st century NZ.
People are just "differently successful"

**Skyryder** · 11th December 2005, 17:21

Originally Posted by oldrider

Who or what is the business round table? :eyepoke:

Skyrider, you sound just like my sister!

Got to go now on a 4x4 cruise.

Cheers John.

NZBR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zea...ess_Roundtable

Sounds like you, me and your sister should get together and try and bring you back from the Dark side of the Force.

Given any thoughts to a KB meet/bbq down your way?? Perhaps sometime in the new year.

Skyryder

**idb** · 11th December 2005, 17:38

Originally Posted by Ixion

....unions are never "champions of mediocrity" . Unions want the best for their members, because ultimately that means the best for society.....

Unions must have changed a lot since I was last the member of one then...............

**oldrider** · 11th December 2005, 22:20

Originally Posted by Skyryder

NZBR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zea...ess_Roundtable

Sounds like you, me and your sister should get together and try and bring you back from the Dark side of the Force.

Given any thoughts to a KB meet/bbq down your way?? Perhaps sometime in the new year.

Skyryder

I was being facetious about the round table!

My sister is a school teacher! (old school) :slap:

No I haven't yet (KB rally) but I have bought a new camera so might be able to try posting pics soon!

Merry Christmass to you and your's Bernie.