Mugged.

[Harry33]

Life would be great if none of us had to worry about being attacked,mugged The best thing you can do is run if you can. But sometimes you don't get that option. (my friend and myself got jumped outside Midcity a few years back by five Island guys while we had a smoke, I got the old "What are you looking at?" answering "Pardon" wasn't the right answer as I got sucker punched in the face while sitting down. Two small white guys against five solid Island guys. We were lucky as a movie had just finished and people were leaving.

I would never want to kill anyone but I sure as hell don't want to be killed either. I carry my keys as hopefully a deterrent. Never had to use them and hopefully I never will.

[mstriumph]

I'm hearing you dude! If you do deliver the killer blow, do you wanna have murder on your conscience for the rest of your life???
Fuck that, I'd rather have a bash, loose 80 bucks and know I didn't kill a man I didn't have to. Even if he was a scum!

i don't believe many people could be that restrained

[number33]

Bring in the noose and trapdoor. Walking back from the pub 12 o'clock carload of hoons do their burnout crap. Yell out what a bunch of poofters. Gits get heavy pull up bailout on the footpath. Another 1/2 dozen pile out their gutless jappo shitter and join 'em. Surrounded. I'm pissed and don't give a fuck. Just young kids. Tell the stroppiest punk I'll punch his fucken teeth in if he don't fucken move. Shuts up quick. Some slaggy aggressive bitch starts mouthing off telling everyone to give me a fucking hiding. Call the slut an ugly dyke cow and to fuck up too. Am thinkin' another sunday morning black eyes chipped teeth. Young lads too scared to do anything. Keep walking don't look back. Evil slag is still sreaming and bitching. Don't try it with the mongies unless you've got 50 rounds in your kalashnikov.

[Dafe]

You're either going to fight back or you're not.

I'll fight back if I have to. I think you're missing the point.
I'm saying that I won't deliver the kind of attack "NhuanH" pointed out. i.e. upwards driving palm heel to base of nose very effective
nor would I go for his ripping out the throat via a C-Grip option.
These both seemed abit extreme to me!

[shcabbeh]

Cheers for all your replies.

I did cause a little bit of damage to the guy who kicked me in the stomach, probably not the smartest move but I was angry and well..yeah.

My stomach has settled down a bit now and my cheek just has an angry bruise, not swollen so much.

Your advice is good though, thanks. I've been meaning to get to a gym anyway as my goal is to join the cops in a couple of years and if I can't even handle two guys on a petty theft I wouldn't be much use to anyone.

[scumdog]

I agree with #33, hell, never been bounced by a bunch of wannabe coconut loser ganstas that couldn't even find their own cocks let alone what day of the week it was!!

My job is the ONE thing that saves their sorry fuckin' arses. (left alone they would be "terminated with extreme prejudice"

To the rest of you: action beats reaction, if you ain't suspicious right from the get-go, well, you ain't got a chance.:slap:

[WINJA]

if I can't even handle two guys on a petty theft I wouldn't be much use to anyone.

YOULL BE FINE , DONT LOSE YOUR CONFIDENCE YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN AND YOU ALREADY GOT YOUR FIRST LESSON , THE PIGS WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO LOOK AFTER YOURSELF AND OTHERS IN YOUR TRAINING , WELL I HOPE THEY STILL DO . AT PHILIP LAMS A FEW COPS TRAINED THERE TO UPSKILL , IT WAS VERY FUNNY CAUSE THERE WERE GUYS ABOUT TO GO INTO PRISON AND WERE THERE BRUSHING UP SPARRING WITH COPS WHO WERE TRAINING THEMSELVES TO HANDLE THESE GUYS , AND THE PIGS COULD ALWAYS HOLD THEIR OWN , I HATE TO SAY IT BUT GO BE A COP REMEMBER YOUR MUGGING AND GO GET SOME REVENGE FOR ALL OF US

[spudchucka]

Cheers for all your replies.

I did cause a little bit of damage to the guy who kicked me in the stomach, probably not the smartest move but I was angry and well..yeah.

My stomach has settled down a bit now and my cheek just has an angry bruise, not swollen so much.

Your advice is good though, thanks. I've been meaning to get to a gym anyway as my goal is to join the cops in a couple of years and if I can't even handle two guys on a petty theft I wouldn't be much use to anyone.

It wasn't a petty theft, it was an agravated robbery and possibly an abduction so don't belittle what happened to you.

When I was 16 I got jumped by a group of 6 - 7 Nomad gang members, they kicked the shit out of me and smashed bottles over my head just to pinch the leather jacket I was wearing.

A couple of years ago I had the pleasure of having one of the arsewipes that did it in custody at the station where I was serving at that time. I spoke to him in the cells for a while and was going to tell him that he and his mates were one of the reasons that I joined the police. After a while I couldn't be bothered, the guy had become a broken down drug addict, on the methodone program, he was aged about 45 but had the body of a 70 year old, he had nobody in his life other than his low life gang mates, he stunk like a rubbish tip, and would have sold his soul for a ciggarette.

After a while I just felt sorry for the guy. Not in a "you poor thing, life has been cruel to you" way but in a "what a waste of a human life" sort of way.

I thought about how I felt about this encounter for a long time and I eventually realised that the reason that encounter with the gang all those years ago had drawn me into policing wasn't to get revenge on the scum that did that to me but was more in the hope that I might prevent some young kid from making the same choices those Nomad guys made.

Good luck with your police application, I'm sure you will make a great cop.

[Wolf]

To the rest of you: action beats reaction, if you ain't suspicious right from the get-go, well, you ain't got a chance.:slap:

Yep. Got out of a lot of sticky situations because I was expecting trouble and took precautions to lessen the chance of trouble. I've walked down the middle of the road in the wee hours of the morning in order to increase the distance any prospective attacker must travel to reach me - fuck walking too close to large bushes or trees or sheltered driveways after dark in some areas of town.

I also keep an eye on my shadows (usually several at night depending on the positions of street lamps and houses) and ensure they are appropriate to the lighting and behaving normally - just in case they suddenly multiply or some move faster than they should...

If being followed I test to see if it's coincidental (cross road and see if they follow. If they do, cross back and see if they follow again...)

If approaching a group of people I prepare to take evasive or defensive actions and I assess them for any indications that they are in a mood for aggro.

Have armed myself with keys and/or lit a cigarette and held it so that it would point forward if I made my hand into a fist (OK, I'd get burned knuckles if I punched someone but I'd take burned knuckles over the burned face an attacker would get)

So far I've been pretty safe - randomly smacked over by a bunch of thugs in broad daylight down by the river bank once and followed up the street by another bunch of thugs but I "made" them early and got out of the situation (this time, by chance my mates turned up in the van just as I was planning my escape route and getting ready to leg it with gusto). Most the other situations I've either avoided altogether or defused.

[Marmoot]

Spudchucka, here's a serious question.

In a life-and-death scenario where a kidnapper threatens your life (and you cannot possibly see a way out of it), then a hypothetical fight ensues where we acidentally (seriously accidentally) causes a deadly force, would that be called manslaughter or legal self defence?

I'm asking because yesterday there were 4 teenage kids trying to get at me in front of my place while I was carying a hammer in my back pocket. Luckily they decided to back off (yes, sick society we're living in nowadays aye? I highly suspect they're the ones broke into my house last week too). I might not know kungfu, but (as one member said) I know crazy and I'm willing to use it.

[Marmoot]

Have armed myself with keys and/or lit a cigarette and held it so that it would point forward if I made my hand into a fist

I normally prefer strong sharp pen.
properly aimed at the arm or neck it could create a mess.

[judgeshock]

I'm really sorry to hear that dude, I hope you get better soon Go hard for the police dude, I have just been accepted( subject to a final fitness test). One thing I have learnt after dealing with the Police is that you probably won't have to deal with these thugs on your own, backups a beautiful thing.

Unfortunately this sort of thing is happening everywhere at the moment, on saturday night down here a group of about 6 youths attacked a couple on their way home from the pub. They attacked them from behind him and her, the brave little shits. Luckily he inflicted abit of damage and also got one of their jumpers.

[spudchucka]

Spudchucka, here's a serious question.

In a life-and-death scenario where a kidnapper threatens your life (and you cannot possibly see a way out of it), then a hypothetical fight ensues where we acidentally (seriously accidentally) causes a deadly force, would that be called manslaughter or legal self defence?

I'm asking because yesterday there were 4 teenage kids trying to get at me in front of my place while I was carying a hammer in my back pocket. Luckily they decided to back off (yes, sick society we're living in nowadays aye? I highly suspect they're the ones broke into my house last week too). I might not know kungfu, but (as one member said) I know crazy and I'm willing to use it.

There was an extensive thread on this very subject jsut a few months ago. I can't remember the title of it but if you search on "self defence" or something like that you will find it. Actually I think it was initially to do with the farmer that shot at burglars who were stealing a quad bike.

To answer your question section 48 of the Crimes Act 1961 allows a legal defence to use force against another person in order to defend yourself or to defend another person. The level of force used must be necessary and reasonable in the circumstances. If you used force against another person and that person died as a result there will obviously be an investigation. As a result of that investigation you may well be charged or not if the evidence is so clear that there is no case to answer.

If you were charged the police would have to prove that the level of force used wasn't justified or reasonable. The measure of reasonablness is subjective and is considered based on what you say you believed at the time and also on what any other reasonable person (eg: a trial jury) would perceive if placed in the same circumstances.

If you in fact used the hammer in your pocket as a weapon to defend yourself then you would have to answer as to why you had a hammer in your pocket in a public place in the first place. You would need a good excuse as there is no defence for carrying such an item with the intention of using it as a weapon, even if it was only intended to be used in self defence. I'm not suggesting that this was the case with you, just highlighting how things can be perceived in certain circumstances.

I hope that helps.

[Yokai]

garage on the right hand side of Whitaker place on the way down towards my apartment.

Shit man - hope you are OK - I'm just up the road from there (Galbraith's) ... That sucks dude - thanks for the warning...

[Marmoot]

If you in fact used the hammer in your pocket as a weapon to defend yourself then you would have to answer as to why you had a hammer in your pocket in a public place in the first place. You would need a good excuse as there is no defence for carrying such an item with the intention of using it as a weapon, even if it was only intended to be used in self defence.

shite.....thank's for the advice.
I asume that if I was "mending my fence at the time they came to me" then it would be justified (strictly hypothetically speaking for my understanding).

Yes that helps very much. I'll stick to pen in my pocket.