Campaign aims to dispel bad Asian drivers myth

[kerryg]

However, I do believe your observation was not done objectively enough. It was made against a group just because of partial observation on the fact without looking at the other side to balance and check your conclusion.
There is a possibility that you did not view many no-asian incidents simply because you do not observe they are happening (no special bias, resulting in not registered in mind).


A more proper and useful debate is to focus on how to improve overall NZ driving quality and awareness instead of focusing on finger-pointing. The later would only cause a stereotyping, dissent, racial-hatred, worse assumptions and more finger-pointing.

I think you take too much upon yourself. So I am not objective, and (by implication) you are? This kind of didactic approach doesn't wash unless you support it with something more cogent than your own chauvinistic point of view. I personally find it disagreeable that you see yourself as being a proper arbiter of what is a "proper and useful debate". I don't grant you that right.

Stereotyping, finger pointing...what are you on about? Is it stereotyping to say that Maori are over-represented in crime statistics? Or finger pointing to say they suffer from diabetes disproportionately?

Anyway, enough. I really can't be stuffed.

[Waylander]

Ooookay....now I just realized this fact:



And this is the entry in Wikipedia.com


Yes, America can be split into 2, and Russia can be included in Asia or not is entirely up to your point-of-view.

Wow. I've been quite wrong for some time and thought they are only America, Asia, Africa, Australia and Europe.

Hmm never knew about the Oceana one. I'm guessing that's Australia, New Zealand and other pacific Islands? Kinda makes more sence in a PC sort of way.

[Eurodave]

Here in good old GodZone Im afraid that us true NZ born 'Kiwis' [both pakeha & maori] are fast becoming a minority, just take a stroll round Christchurch or worse yet Auckland, & which ethnic majority/s do you see everywhere...........ASIANS, albeit koreans,chinese, japanese, cambodian thai etc etc and an ever increasing amount of fijians,samoans,iraquis etc etc. We are now more, than ever before ,a multi cultural society.
[Bugger, I forgot the point I was trying to make:spudwhat: goes away to think]

[judgeshock]

Here in good old GodZone Im afraid that us true NZ born 'Kiwis' [both pakeha & maori] are fast becoming a minority, just take a stroll round Christchurch or worse yet Auckland, & which ethnic majority/s do you see everywhere...........ASIANS, albeit koreans,chinese, japanese, cambodian thai etc etc and an ever increasing amount of fijians,samoans,iraquis etc etc. We are now more, than ever before ,a multi cultural society.
[Bugger, I forgot the point I was trying to make:spudwhat: goes away to think]

I think it's fantastic if we can open ourselves to multiculturism.

[Ixion]

It may be that the NATURE of the badness is different. I suspect that "bad driving" differs in nature from country to country. We become accustomed to the common faults of our own country and automatically adjust for them. A different sort of "bad" catches us out. What I DO notice amongst Asians (and I know quite a few) is that they almost invariably think they are "perfect" drivers, when they are very far from it. I suspect that the Asian driver is the quintessence of LTSA driving - they know the rules perfectly, drive quite slowly and are completely oblivious of what is going on around them. This I find the main problem with Asian drivers - they just do totally stupid shit because they ignore what is happening around them on the road. Which is different to , say, elderly drivers. They can be bad too, but in a different way. And young guys are different again.

[The_Dover]

Here in good old GodZone Im afraid that us true NZ born 'Kiwis' [both pakeha & maori] are fast becoming a minority, just take a stroll round Christchurch or worse yet Auckland, & which ethnic majority/s do you see everywhere...........ASIANS, albeit koreans,chinese, japanese, cambodian thai etc etc and an ever increasing amount of fijians,samoans,iraquis etc etc. We are now more, than ever before ,a multi cultural society.
[Bugger, I forgot the point I was trying to make:spudwhat: goes away to think]

Gotta disagree there ED.

Since the sun has been shining I've been walking around and noticing nothing but fine totty of all races wearing next to nothing. Just the way I like it.

[kerryg]

I guess living in Timaru where the amount of asian drivers is very few, I see lots of useless Kiwi drivers also.

No offence intended, so please don't take offence. Timaru's a lovely town (I visit it a couple of times a year)...but are there ANY Asians there? I live in Auckland. Auckland is not Timaru .

[Marmoot]

I think you take too much upon yourself. So I am not objective, and (by implication) you are? This kind of didactic approach doesn't wash unless you support it with something more cogent than your own chauvinistic point of view. I personally find it disagreeable that you see it yourself as being a proper arbiter of what is a "proper and useful debate". I don't grant you that right.

Stereotyping, finger pointing...what are you on about? Is it stereotyping to say that Maori are over-represented in crime statistics? Or finger pointing to say they suffer from diabetes disproportionately?

Anyway, enough. I really can't be stuffed.

I think you take too much upon yourself too. I am not implying that I am 100% objective. I am merely pointing out the fact that some of your arguments were made based on partial fact only and in a public forum where arguments can influence others then this has to be pointed out to prevent public misunderstanding.

If you see me as being a proper arbiter, then thank you. I have no intention of being one and was merely suggesting a more appropriate recourse for public's time. A discussion on improving New Zealand driver quality would be more appropriate and productive, and that is a suggestion. If I were a moderator and has locked the topic then you can properly disagree.

I am sorry but I am entirely at lost with your last point. What were you trying to establish here? For clarification's sake, I don't believe saying "Maoris are over-represented in crime statistics" to be stereotyping, but saying "Maoris are most-likely to be criminal" simply because of quite a number of Maoris did crime would be stereotyping. As Hitcher would agree, I'm sure.
I believe "finger-pointing" would be more appropriate when you see a head-on collision involving an asian driver and the first thing popping in your mind would be "must be the asian driver's fault". or is this stereotyping too?

[Eurodave]

I think it's fantastic if we can open ourselves to multiculturism.

Yeah, wot he said. There are bad drivers/riders of all nationalities,races ,creeds, ages, sexes, & religions everywhere.:slap: Just lets be carefull out there folks so we can each live to ride/drive another day

[judgeshock]

No offence intended, so please don't take offence. Timaru's a lovely town (I visit it a couple of times a year)...but are there ANY Asians there? I live in Auckland. Auckland is not Timaru .

Yes you are correct, I imagine out of the 30,000 people that live here probably only a couple of dozen are Asian. Hard for me to really have thoughts on this issue without more first hand experience.
No offence taken, this is certainly a hot topic around the place

[Marmoot]

Yeah, wot he said. There are bad drivers/riders of all nationalities,races ,creeds, ages, sexes, & religions everywhere.:slap: Just lets be carefull out there folks so we can each live to ride/drive another day

and to praise Dover, same logic applies to the other side of the story:
there are nice chicks of all nationalities, races, creeds, ages, sexes (err...no...sorry....) & religions everywhere
Don't forget the rubber so you can each live to ride another day

[Al]

With all these bloody asians, south africans and poms on the road New Zealand's becoming a pretty dangerous place to be eh?

Bloody foreigners ruining our green and pleasant land. Headbutt them all I say!!

Well, the Kiwi drivers do not have any accidents, no drink driving and no speeding...... Shit, I am now a citizen, will have to lose my driving skills, put a loud pipe on the cage too....

Nah mate, there are bad drivers from all nationalities on the NZ roads!

Al

[Swoop]

What I DO notice amongst Asians (and I know quite a few) is that they almost invariably think they are "perfect" drivers, when they are very far from it.

So asians really ARE genuine kiwis then!!!
ALL kiwi drivers think that their driving is perfect.

[kerryg]

I think you take too much upon yourself too. I am not implying that I am 100% objective. I am merely pointing out the fact that some of your arguments were made based on partial fact only and in a public forum where arguments can influence others then this has to be pointed out to prevent public misunderstanding.

If you see me as being a proper arbiter, then thank you. I have no intention of being one and was merely suggesting a more appropriate recourse for public's time. A discussion on improving New Zealand driver quality would be more appropriate and productive, and that is a suggestion. If I were a moderator and has locked the topic then you can properly disagree.

I am sorry but I am entirely at lost with your last point. What were you trying to establish here? For clarification's sake, I don't believe saying "Maoris are over-represented in crime statistics" to be stereotyping, but saying "Maoris are most-likely to be criminal" simply because of quite a number of Maoris did crime would be stereotyping. As Hitcher would agree, I'm sure.
I believe "finger-pointing" would be more appropriate when you see a head-on collision due to a car crossing the centreline and the first thing popping in your mind would be "must be an asian driver". or is this stereotyping too?

Marmoot

You're probably a nice fella but I really don't think you're making an attempt to grasp what I've said. Not to agree with it necessarily, but to read and think and then respond. I am not interested enough in this "discussion", if I may characterise it so generously,to keep laboriously re-stating and clarifying my point of view for you. Let's agree to disagree. I'm a red-neck. There. You win. I'm nicely categorised,. Now we can move on.

[Marmoot]

Marmoot

You're probably a nice fella but I really don't think you're making an attempt to grasp what I've said. Not to agree with it necessarily, but to read and think and then respond. I am not interested enough in this "discussion", if I may characterise it so generously,to keep laboriously re-stating and clarifying my point of view for you. Let's agree to disagree. I'm a red-neck. There. You win. I'm nicely categorised,. Now we can move on.

well, uh....not really my point there about the redneck bit
But yeah, I agree on one thing. I'm quite a nice fella