Non Jap Bikes - pros and cons

[**R1**]

WRONG WRONG WRONG. in fact the wrongness of that rant is encapsulated in the phrase "lap times"

Some of us couldnt give a flying fuck what lap times our bikes do, so long as we have a good time riding them (out for coffee, out to the shops, on holiday, cos its a nice day.... get my drift).

since when waa ANY GSXR "comfortable"? unless by "comfortable" you mean "uncomfortable" ?

bah humbug

I could be wrong but i thought this thread was about japo sporty bikes v's non japo sporty bikes, pros and cons, and the technology gap etc? my opinion(not rant) was that there is no way an old bike is compareable(techy wise) to a new one..if im wrong then fine, and if you read one of my other posts in this thread you would see that i said people buy bikes for diff reasons, and by comfortable i mean at speed, ie: I would be more "comfortable" at 250kph on a 2005 model GSXR than on a 1985 GSXR..

is that a bit cleara for ya??

[James Deuce]

Jim that was out of context - i was referring to the forks

Ooooo

The forks aren't old tech. They are a modern iteration of "right way up " forks. There's nothing wrong with them at all, and for compliance and damping action, they will beat the old tech upside downies on your bike.

That better?

[tracyprier]

real riders ride rather than talking about it, and tell me wots wrong with a 1000cc bike? I ride it on the road and play on it at the track, should i have got a 150cc??? some how i think my thou would last longer...and dont we all enjoy differnt aspects of riding? power, torque, handling, touring, racing, stunting, commuting, or just coz we like to look at them....just my opinion, if i had to ride a lil wee bike i wouldnt bother...I know first hand i have more fun on my 1000 than i do on my 250

Errr, nothings wrong with 1000cc bikes... mines an 1100cc so I don't know what you're on about. Also it's only possible to talk on the internet, I save my bike riding for the real world.

I take the view that some others have in this thread that on the road (NOT the track) what real use is 200hp in a bike? Same reason why owning a Lambo over here is nothing more than a status symbol. There is nowhere in NZ that a car like that can really feel it's oats and the same applies for bikes what with the whole speed camera thing.

Hell, do Auckland to Taupo like people used to in the 80's and you've lost your licence by the time you get there nowadays....or damn near lost it.

Of course we all enjoy different aspects of biking and to each their own, I was just expressing my opinion on the subject.

[**R1**]

Just the part you alleged I said will do.

Ok you have to excuse me Im a bit slow due to all this wanky technology confusing my small sportbike rider brain..yes your right you didnt say a thing about lap times...but you did say technology was just for "wanking rights" thats a pretty arrogant statement.. IMHO

[Mattyc]

this is Great!! my day is going so fast now !! nice work

[tracyprier]

ok then just for you i will rephrase it, I have more fun on my modern 150hp bike than i do on my old 50hp bike, the point i was tring to make is we are all differnt and if what your saying was true "real riders" like V rossi etc would win on old shitters??

Mate you would be SURPRISED at how well The Doctor would do on an old shitter.

What do they say, "in F1 it's 20% driver 80% car, in MotoGP it's the other way 'round"

There is more to biking than horsepower.

[Mattyc]

lol @ flame bait - i think i had too much coffee this morning when i posted this

[James Deuce]

lol @ flame bait - i think i had too much coffee this morning when i posted this

I used that to make a Christmas card for my last boss. He was touched until he opened it.

Now THAT made my whole F__king year

[**R1**]

Errr, nothings wrong with 1000cc bikes... mines an 1100cc so I don't know what you're on about. Also it's only possible to talk on the internet, I save my bike riding for the real world.

I take the view that some others have in this thread that on the road (NOT the track) what real use is 200hp in a bike? Same reason why owning a Lambo over here is nothing more than a status symbol. There is nowhere in NZ that a car like that can really feel it's oats and the same applies for bikes what with the whole speed camera thing.

Hell, do Auckland to Taupo like people used to in the 80's and you've lost your licence by the time you get there nowadays....or damn near lost it.

Of course we all enjoy different aspects of biking and to each their own, I was just expressing my opinion on the subject.

yeah sorry i was more talking about power than cc, but im kind of sick about hearing about this "real world" riding, I ride my 150hp bike the way it was intended to be riden...am i not livivng in the real world? what fucken world am i living in? sure to each his own, but why duz the fact that I brake the law when i ride my bike make me not a real world biker? I know that riders like my self are a minority, but why must all the bikers that want to ride their bikes the way they would a car, ram it down my throat?

[James Deuce]

(snip)I know that riders like my self are a minority, but why must all the bikers that want to ride their bikes the way they would a car, ram it down my throat?

Lol, like the way you're ramming your world view down everyone else's?

Mate - leave work early and go for a ride.

[**R1**]

Mate you would be SURPRISED at how well The Doctor would do on an old shitter.

What do they say, "in F1 it's 20% driver 80% car, in MotoGP it's the other way 'round"

There is more to biking than horsepower.

sure the guy is a telented rider no doubt, but given a 1990 gp 500 he would win? dont think so!!! if technology wasnt all it was cracked up to be why would they bother? would you go back to a horse and cart?

[**R1**]

Lol, like the way you're ramming your world view down everyone else's?

Mate - leave work early and go for a ride.

Am I??

Just sick of hearing about "real riders" and how fast, smooth, whatever, they are on their antiquated heaps of shit... I'm convinced technology helps and dont quite get how anyone can disagree, im not saying hang up ya old keys and buy a state of the art sports bike, im just saying modern technoligy improves braking, handling power etc, and coupled together this would help with a riders confidence etc?

[James Deuce]

Am I??

Just sick of hearing about "real riders" and how fast, smooth, whatever, they are on their antiquated heaps of shit... I'm convinced technology helps and dont quite get how anyone can disagree, im not saying hang up ya old keys and buy a state of the art sports bike, im just saying modern technoligy improves braking, handling power etc, and coupled together this would help with a riders confidence etc?

No worries fella. This time of year just seems make people a bit scratchy.

I know what you're saying. The brakes on the R6 are unreal compared to the CB, or the GSX600 I had before it, and it steers beautifully. The ride quality from the suspension on the boring transport bits to the twisty bits is amazing too.

Even if my 2004 R6 has old tech right way up forks.

[HenryDorsetCase]

maybe thats what you MEANT, but what you were perceived as saying was "anybody on a bike that isnt bleeding edge state of the art techno - ween isnt a "real" biker"

at least that is how I took it.

Im an UNREAL biker BTW, as in "see how slow that dude was: its unreal"?

[Eurodave]

All I can say is that if R1 rides the way he says he does with a 150hp bike on public roads soon there will be casualties, his licence ,then himself & probably some inoccent bystander/s as well
The vast majority of the public just cannot even comprehend the speed & acceleration a modern high horsepower bike is capable of, let alone make allowances for or even SEE one coming till its to late!!!.
If you want to ride well in excess of the speed limit & exercise the bike the way that it was built for, with all its hi tech ultra modern components & gagetry then..... TAKE IT TO THE TRACK because once there .......WHEN THE FLAG DROPS THE BULLSHIT STOPS!! there is where the differences in forks,brakes, handling etc are important & actually matter, not doing 100kph on a public road