Non Jap Bikes - pros and cons

**Brian d marge** · 15th December 2005, 13:36

Originally Posted by Motu

I'd LOVE a non Jap bike with old technology - a Ural,maybe a Chiang Jiang...an Indian Enfield for the wife,she's really like one of them.

I have said Enfield
they sure do have some good points, BUT they do require a certain mind set

they will sit all day at 55 mph and use sod all gas

oh and you can buy a whole clutch assembly new for 100 dollars

I bought another engine and wount be buying another road bike ( for my use ) ever again

Stephen

**WINJA** · 15th December 2005, 13:38

Originally Posted by Devil

Maaayte. A post I can read! (Careful, you sound almost sensible in lower case!).

As above, most Triumphs dont fit in the super-sport category, they sit back a bit, and they do what they do very well. Speed with comfort, power with control.

BEEN TRYING A DIFFERENT SCREEN EASIER TO READ , BUT NOT MUCH

**TONO** · 15th December 2005, 14:03

[QUOTE=st3]Once I decided to buy a ride bike I initially had no preconceptions of make or model – I wanted something that I would hold onto and would take me places (long rides) Coming back to riding and with not much experience in road bikes I tried a number of sport and touring bikes. After a few weeks I knew wanted something that was more comfortable than a sport bike and easy to ride - not too scary.

Ride on!!! the same reasons I used to buy my bike,

I just come up with a different answer

.....But we is both happy with what we got.

Cheers

**Biff** · 15th December 2005, 14:15

I'd rather ride a "modern", "wanky" machine that an older one. At least as a primary mode of motormacycling. My bike, in general, is more comfortable, powerful, economical and safer compared to 'older' machines (and the Bird is no spring chicken - pun intended). And all this thanks to technology.

But I like 'older' bikes for what they are. Sure some technology can be accused of being existence just for 'bling' value. But most of it isn't, and the 'bling' of today can quite easily become standard on most bikes tomrrow.

And let's put our handbags away here chaps and quit slagging other riders for having different opinions/riding styles than you eh.

We're an eclectic mix here, and we all have different views, and we're entitled to air them here. Even if you disagree with them.

**Lou Girardin** · 15th December 2005, 14:54

Originally Posted by **R1**

Ok you have to excuse me Im a bit slow due to all this wanky technology confusing my small sportbike rider brain..yes your right you didnt say a thing about lap times...but you did say technology was just for "wanking rights" thats a pretty arrogant statement.. IMHO

Let me rephrase then. A few people like to use the new technology on their gee whiz bikes as a substitute for riding ability. You'll often hear debates about one bike having a poofteenth more hp than bike B. (as if it matters) Meanwhile the braggers bike has chicken strips 40mm wide. Much like the high tech, ultra sporty, state of the art sprotbike I'm looking at right now.

**jonbuoy** · 15th December 2005, 15:19

Read some wright ups on the daytonas - one of the sweetest handling bikes and trumpet brakes have always been top notch.

Would love one of those re-engineered Nortons from the states or a new Retro Cafe racer from Ducati. Sexier than a room full of greased up super models.

Go the retros.

**R1** · 15th December 2005, 15:22

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Let me rephrase then. A few people like to use the new technology on their gee whiz bikes as a substitute for riding ability. You'll often hear debates about one bike having a poofteenth more hp than bike B. (as if it matters) Meanwhile the braggers bike has chicken strips 40mm wide. Much like the high tech, ultra sporty, state of the art sprotbike I'm looking at right now.

whats wrong with substituting ability with technology? to my way of thinking ability is a skill for something you have learned, would you rather someone with very little ability went out on a 750 tripple and learned the hard way? if technology makes people on bikes safer im all for it!! are you not?

Imagine if you no longer had the "ability" to satisfy your wife, im sure you would be greatfull to the technology that bought us Viagra...or would you stick to old technology and use cucumber?? (PT)

**Motu** · 15th December 2005, 15:25

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

I have said Enfield
they sure do have some good points, BUT they do require a certain mind set

they will sit all day at 55 mph and use sod all gas

oh and you can buy a whole clutch assembly new for 100 dollars

I bought another engine and wount be buying another road bike ( for my use ) ever again

Stephen

I'd say I had the mind set - I've had a hell of a lot of experiance with British singles,I had one bedroom in our house completely full of BSA single parts....because they wouldn't fit in the double garage,it was chokka full of bikes and other parts.My wife loves singles and when Her Speedtwin broke down I gave her my newly rebuilt BSA M20 to ride and run in for me...a new Enfield would be the ultimate bike for her.

**Eurodave** · 15th December 2005, 15:26

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

You'll often hear debates about one bike having a poofteenth more hp than bike B. (as if it matters) Meanwhile the braggers bike has chicken strips 40mm wide. Much like the high tech, ultra sporty, state of the art sprotbike I'm looking at right now.

Theres a term for that. Its called bench racing, its where 2 or more combatants spout spec sheets at one another in a misguided effort to establish whos bike is 'better' & who's gonads are biggest .

In my book bikes are for riding, not wanking over & polishing on Sundays

**R1** · 15th December 2005, 15:41

Originally Posted by Eurodave

Theres a term for that. Its called bench racing, its where 2 or more combatants spout spec sheets at one another in a misguided effort to establish whos bike is 'better' & who's gonads are biggest .

In my book bikes are for riding, not wanking over & polishing on Sundays

glad I didnt read "your book"
cant be much of a bike lover then...

I love wanking all over my bike and cleaning it on Sunday, the mess from Monday can be a bit hard to get off tho..

look i know what you are trying to say, and honestly any thing i have done to my bike to improve performance and handling has been done for me alone, and i also know the type of guys you are talking about, I just think those types of guys are better off on a bike that compensates for their riding short falls..

**Big Dave** · 15th December 2005, 15:43

Originally Posted by WINJA

BEEN TRYING A DIFFERENT SCREEN EASIER TO READ , BUT NOT MUCH

persist - as I've said to you before - it's a lot harder for people to read all upper case - yea we ain't posting rocket science, but people comprehend it less and find it harder to read - and apart from that - you FORFEIT the ability to EMPHASIZE to enhance your posts - it's better communication.
Stick with it - UNDERSTAND?

**Big Dave** · 15th December 2005, 15:48

Originally Posted by st3

Once I started on the Triumph range there was no turning back –

Bruddah! Just trying to place you - Welly RAT?

**Big Dave** · 15th December 2005, 16:19

Nice work the thread starter.

Fits perfectly with a theory. Just a theory.

The litre Jap sports bike is a hi tech dinosaur.

Track day enthusiasts and racers are really the only people who can justify a machine that can achieve 250+ kph - in light of the fact that the government of the land specifies that the maximum speed limit is 100kph.

I say justify - not enjoy or covet or have some balls out fun on. But Speedmedic's countdown timer is testament to the price of utilising the potential of a sports 1000.
(Enough power to overtake while carrying a passenger and spirited riding notwithstanding.)

But the same technology that is being used to produce these hitech marvels is also being used to detect and punish you for fully utilising them.
It's a mugs game.

I ride my R1/Blade/ZX12/K5/ whatever and don't have any ticket trouble some will say - I say 'yet'.

If you look around to change lanes - the slight movement of your wrist can take you from 55 to 65 in the time it takes to turn back on a zx10. I have to concentrate really hard to keep it at the legal speeds when I jump on one of these rockets. And for sure wicking them up is a whole lot of fun - till you are running a countdown timer under your avatar and it's only going to get worse.

The police are only going to get more aggressive - the road toll is a major concern to those in power and whether we like it or not the FACT is they are going to get harder and harder on your arse if you go fast.

So I say screw the high tech dinosaur. I bought a new bike with pushrods and it's usable power at 2,500rpm, made it a naked, cause it feels much faster sooner and I now have a bike that's just as much fun to ride at 110 as a plastic shrouded missile at 210.

Riding around on the road and not being legally able to use two thirds of the bikes potential seems like a hitech waste to me. To that end the Daytona handles superbly at real world speeds and above anyway.

I'm happy to be selling Triumphs and Harleys - The next 5 years will be back to the past - big time. There's no future in 180 horsepower street machines. Jap or otherwise.

It's time for more with less.

**Brian d marge** · 15th December 2005, 16:22

Here are 2 pictures . one is dead sexy, the other is my entry for next seasons Motogp
Dont worry to much if you are at a track day and this thing goes past , as long as you dont change your racing line you should be fine!!

Stephen

**Eurodave** · 15th December 2005, 16:33

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

Here are 2 pictures . one is dead sexy, the other is my entry for next seasons Motogp
Dont worry to much if you are at a track day and this thing goes past , as long as you dont change your racing line you should be fine!!Stephen

Hell yeah, that is one slick looking Honda Dream!!!

those Nips & their 'customising'!!