Campaign aims to dispel bad Asian drivers myth

[Postie]

er ok, so according this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/stor...ectid=10359471, its all a myth. i know for one that i have been the victim of an asian u turn special, but if i knew it was all a myth, then i would have just sat there and laughed and laughed.

[Lou Girardin]

The problem with the LTNZ is that they only take note of statistics. But all near misses and most non-injury dings don't come to their attention. So, unless you actually use the roads, you don't have a clue what's happening out there.
Which sums up all of the LTNZ's activities.

[Ixion]

Well , the arrogant little shit in a Misubishi thing that decided on Saturday that shoving me into the gutter was the easiest way to move over into the left lane at the last minute, so he could turn left, was no myth.

And then when I bailed him up at the lights, he just shrugged his shoulders and laughed. Big joke, eh.

Nope, it's no myth. Some of them (NOT all, but some) really are appallingly bad drivers, and worse, they don't give a shit. And they actually think they are perfect- note the comment from the Asian woman in the other news article
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10359469
And the one that sits at roundabouts for 2 or 3 seconds because she can't figure it out - then no doubt decides the easiest way out of her dilemma is to pull out in front of the oncoming bike , cos it's smaller than her cage.

[enigma51]

Yeah I wonder how its a myth when at the bottom it reads

* September 2005: Chinese student Xhong Hen Ding, 23, is killed and four other Asian students injured when a car rolls 200m down Christchurch's Port Hills and off a 20m cliff.

* May 2005: West Auckland mother Karen Jolly is killed when her car is struck by out-of-control "boy racer" Kok Kie. The 38-year-old is jailed for two years and ordered to pay $35,000 in reparation.

* April 2005: Huntly coroner warns of more accidents involving overseas drivers after an inquest into the deaths of Yuan Zhang, 20, and his girlfriend, Shuang Yang, 19, who died when their car crossed the centre line and collided with a light truck.

* February 2003: A 5-year-old girl is killed and her father seriously injured when Ding Yan Zhao, 19, crashes his car into a Waikato service station while trying to avoid police. Zhao is later deported after serving six months in prison.

* May 2001: Within a period of 11 days, three Asian students die in separate crashes near Christchurch, Nelson and Te Anau.

[The_Dover]

With all these bloody asians, south africans and poms on the road New Zealand's becoming a pretty dangerous place to be eh?

Bloody foreigners ruining our green and pleasant land. Headbutt them all I say!!

[Marmoot]

Well I for one am not saying it is a myth or not.
But there are 2 sides in every coin, don't you think?

If you only focus to the statistic, then all kind of conclusion can be drawn depending on how you process the data (and what conclusion you want to come out).
That is why Scientific Methods require the researcher to first make an anti-hypothesis and entirely disprove that to draw a valid conclusion, as opposed to simply twiddle with the statistics to support their original assumptions.

There are also numerous near-misses by non-asians. Not to mention fatalities in the non-asian populations that did not get mentioned in the statistics in the post above. Where is that Maori lady driving drunk with her baby on board? Or 4 Pacific Islander kids killed in South Auckland this year? There was a caucassian died in Piha when his car rolled down the bank (and probably some more unmentioned). And if we talk about crossing centreline, why are the german tourist accidents not mentioned? There is also a question whether africans are counted as asians. Or, is there only White/Maori against non-native?

The debate is too open and has a moot point.

Personally, my conclusion is: there are a hell lot of bad drivers out there with various skin colours.

Maybe the debate should not centre on whether asians are bad drivers or not, but rather focus on whether our overall drivers quality are good enough or not. I think when even 15 year-olds, who does not know what's right or wrong and are in their rebelious years, are permitted to get in control of what the government refer to as 'lethal machine' without the requirements for proper education in the process then there is definitely something wrong with our driving system. :slap:

[kerryg]

You can dance this subject as much as you like and quote all the statistics you like but dammit it's absolutely fecking obviouis to anyone who regularly drives in Auckland how USELESS a good proportion of Asian drivers are. Of course there are awful drivers of every race, age, colour, religion, whatever but on average you are far more likely to see incomptetent driving if the driver's Asian. Fact. Just go drive around Auckland. Stuff the statistics,I'm tired of being PC

[Marmoot]

You can dance this subject as much as you like and quote all the statistics you like but dammit it's absolutely fecking obviouis to anyone who regularly drives in Auckland how USELESS a good proportion of Asian drivers are. Of course there are awful drivers of every race, age, colour, religion, whatever but on average you are far more likely to see incomptetent driving if the driver's Asian. Fact. Just go drive around Auckland. Stuff the statistics,I'm tired of being PC

yea, far more likely to see. because white and black are not colours. That's not PC, that's technical in physics definition.

[Hitcher]

Irrespective of the "facts", this is a classic example of where perception has become the reality. LTNZ will be pushing it up hill for a while.

At least New Zealand has yet to degenerate to the level shown during the weekend's fracas outside the Cronulla Surf Lifesaving Club...

[kerryg]

yea, far more likely to see. because white and black are not colours. That's not PC, that's technical in physics definition.

I don't know what you mean, sorry.

I'm not saying that Asians (and really I'm talking about recent immigrants) are bad people. I'm saying their driving, on average, is poor in comparison to the average kiwi driver. I will say the same about a good many teenage drivers. And quite a lot of very elderly drivers. It's obvious if you drive regularly around Auckland. It's BS to deny it.

[Marmoot]

I don't know what you mean, sorry.

I'm not saying that Asians (and really I'm talking about recent immigrants) are bad people. I'm saying their driving, on average, is poor in comparison to the average kiwi driver. I will say the same about a good many teenage drivers. And quite a lot of very elderly drivers. It's obvious if you drive regularly around Auckland. It's BS to deny it.

I'm just saying perhaps they surface up because they are more prominent. That they are different.
I drive and ride around Auckland. And I find same proportion of bad drivers from all race and creed.
Do you swear "damn blonde!" when a blonde almost hit you the same as you swear "damn asian driver" when an asian almost hit you? Most people don't. And that signals different perception to incidents that heavily dependant upon the perpetrators. Hence, the conclusion that "Asian drivers are worse than others".

And to complicate matters, where do you classify the teenage drivers and elderly drivers you mentioned in your post above? Since we are debating driving quality based on race, shouldn't they belong to their respective race too instead of being boxed into separate "teenage drivers" and "elderly drivers"? If you do that, I'm quite sure that would even things out a bit and perhaps change your original perception in the previous post.

[Damon]

I've seen some pretty shocking driving in this crap hole, and often the person behind the wheel is asian, and then we find out that they've just paid for their licence rather than actualy earned it, how am i expected to resect a driver when they just hand over cash rather than prove their worth on the road, LTNZ are full of shit!!

[kerryg]

I'm just saying perhaps they surface up because they are more prominent. That they are different.
I drive and ride around Auckland. And I find same proportion of bad drivers from all race and creed.
Do you swear "damn blonde!" when a blonde almost hit you the same as you swear "damn asian driver" when an asian almost hit you? Most people don't. And that signals different perception to incidents that heavily dependant upon the perpetrators. Hence, the conclusion that "Asian drivers are worse than others".

And to complicate matters, where do you classify the teenage drivers and elderly drivers you mentioned in your post above? Since we are debating driving quality based on race, shouldn't they belong to their respective race too instead of being boxed into separate "teenage drivers" and "elderly drivers"? If you do that, I'm quite sure that would even things out a bit and perhaps change your original perception in the previous post.

Well if your observations don't coincide with mine I'm at a loss to account for it. But that doesn't alter what I observe on a daily basis. Anyway I can't be arsed having an argument about it. You can neatly try to categorise my comments as racist or something if that suits your particular pre-disposition. Help yourself. They're not though, which is why I made reference to other readily recognisable (by age rather than ethnicity) groups of drivers who similarly stand out out as being, in a disproportionate number of cases, poorer drivers than average. So I guess I'm racist and ageist. Shame on me.

[Fart]

After talking to a number of overseas tourist (includes Europeans and Poms) and ex-pat NZers, NZ drivers are one of the worst in the world. Most kiwi drivers and riders have delusions of grandeur on the road - we all think we are as good if not better than Rossi and Schumaker. Hence why NZ has such high road deaths stats.

I've seen some pretty shocking driving in this crap hole, and often the person behind the wheel is asian, and then we find out that they've just paid for their licence rather than actualy earned it, how am i expected to resect a driver when they just hand over cash rather than prove their worth on the road, LTNZ are full of shit!!

I on the other hand didnt pay for my licence. I got it out of the Weetbix packet, thank you very much ! Get your fucken facts right ! Are all South Islanders Sheep farmers? It is a know fact, is it not? Abit like JAFFAS are all assholes? Well, a few in here are... LOL

Oh shit, am I stereotyping and generalising again? Me bad man, vely vely bad man ! ...lmao !

[Waylander]

Do you swear "damn blonde!" when a blonde almost hit you the same as you swear "damn asian driver" when an asian almost hit you? Most people don't.

I do. Usually along the lines of, "Stupid Blonde!!" "Fucking old peaple" Cock sucking boy racer" "Idiot Asian" "God Damned Brit" "Jerk ass American"
The last two happend to have thier countries flags on their vehicle. and the "Idiot Asian" does come out more often cause they are the ones that do stupid shit on the road the most. Atleast that I see.


Another question slightly off topic, why are Russians not called Asians? Russia is part of asia isn't it?