Trademe and "entrepreneurial" people

[Brian d marge]

Whats that latin term "Caveat Empore" or something, "let the buyer beware"?

Yup I would agree here ,also add that as far as I know Bike makers dont put service manuals out on CD ,,( Ive never heard of it ...)

So I would be asking HOW .why or where the copy came from...( understand and accept point about a updated , formatable copy )

But in this big wide world there are scammier scams than that ! ..

Copywrited material is just that ,,see china ,,, YOU cant copy and resell OR you get busted or a nasty letter from ,,,the nurse ... ( like selling dope ,,,you can do it ,,,it has questions either side,,,but we as a people have ( wonder who decided that one !!) decided thats a No No ...Same with copywriting ,, Trade me should be on to that ...( As I am sure the original service manual is copywrited ,,,My CR250 service manual says on the back page say No can do ....)

So I would say that trade me should be notified that a seller is selling contra band ,,illegal hooch ,,naughty stuff,,no can do ....

So the sale is ( I would assume ) illeagal ( like a seagul but completely different ..) ..as in cant be transacted ,,...he could give it to you for free ,,i assume ,,,but cant ask money for it ,,,

Stephen

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Bugger We payed for our's last night before reading this

[Eurodave]

Who cares?, copied CD's are still really cheap information & we do, after all,live in a capitalistic country. People NEED to do some research on TardMe prices B4 bidding. Its the same if you went into Cash Converters,their prices are NEVER 1/2 retail & sometimes MORE than retail!! LET THE BUYER BEWARE!!!

[Swoop]

If you want to see some real cons, check out www.alibaba.com. I was looking at buying and importing 2nd hand sports bikes. this one guy in Italy was trying to sell me a 2001 CBR 600 F4i at a very reasonable price. provided loads of pics and the vin number. later, I went to ebay to see what was available in the states. Fuck me, I found the same bike, VIN number and all for sale on ebay! the MF had just copied and pasted all the details out of ebay.

THis wasn't an isolated incident, I had a couple of potential deals that were just seemed too dodgy for words. amazing how some people clam up when you suggest using an eskrow service.....

FB

Had the same thing on betrademe a while back.
Some one "in NZ" was selling a '03 VFR 800 for 3K...

HAD to see what this was about...
Yes, yes, all genuine, etc, etc. Price was in US$ though...
Oh, and the bike ISN'T in NZ, because we shipped it there and it wasn't allowed to be landed because of "paperwork" so it's on the way to Greece - where we will be happy to ship it to you from!.......

Something smells fishy and it AIN'T the japs whaling for "research"...
(The only findings the japs have made from all this whaling is that "it's yummy!"...) Sorry-off topic...

[inlinefour]

I have now brought three motorcycles and one workshop manual for one of them. Two of the bikes I got to have a look at and had theu been crap, I'd have walked with the money still in my pocket. One bike was trucked up from the South Island, but I got it so much cheaper than what the first bid was (after calling the owner's cellphone) that I was fairly sure I got a good deal (confirmed when the bike arrived). The manual was advertised as a "carefully reproduced FACTORY ONLY manual". I'd be very warey of buying a PDF file on cd-rom as I'm aware of how easy it is to download some manuals from the net. On that note, does anyone have a manual for a 98 TT350F?

[Sensei]

Yea all write you up one if you like , Ps Sorry about spelling mistakes LOL

[Harry33]

I think the best thing you can do is a little bit of research before you purchase anything. If your going to bid online shop online first. You have the internet use it.

In saying that if the information was never released on dvd/cd format I think it would be a good idea to report it to trademe and just hope they pull the auction before someone gets scammed.

[sefer]

Look on the plus side: Finding the manual, downloading it, burning it to CD (did it come with a printed cover?), advertising it on trademe, shipping it, collecting the cash. Fucked if that's worth $15 of my time, dude's got to be doing this on damn nearly minimum wage - would make more asking if I wanted fries with that.

Well lets see...

Finding the manual, downloading it = Free, but we'll say $15 one off for connection fees/usage.

Burning to CD = $.50 per CD (and that's full priced CDs) x 30 = $15

He's charging for shipping (too much by about $1.50 as well).

So that's $30 of costs to him (should be minus $30-45 for the over charged shipping really). So he's made about $370. Pretty good for little effort really isn't it?

I personally think there is far to many people trying to make a quick buck with copied cds, movies, games, and software on Trademe, and Trademe does stuff all about it. On those occasions when I have 'reported' an auction for the above Trademe either does nothing about it, or removes the auction, which then gets relisted almost straight away.

There should be no chances, if your selling pirated goods your account should be closed straight away.

(and don't even get me started on the feedback system where a buyer/seller can stuff you around, or even rip you off and still post negitive feedback on your account. Or where you post honest feedback either way and get negitive feedback because of that and not how you dealt with the sale)

[WINJA]

i have to say m1cro, i'm a bit of an idealist myself, and i say speak up. i think it's wrong to onsell freely available information in such a way, regardless of how much he's making off it.
and although you were on the wrong side of 'caveat emptor', i think by speaking up you are allowing other people to make an informed choice.

how you doing

[M1CRO:Me]

Thanks for the feedback thus far. As I mentioned, I am all for the "free" market, "caveat emptor" and the need to shop around, but blatant on-selling copied CD's for a profit reaches my boundary limit and I could not sit idle and do nothing... I wasnt prepared to take the matter further through the commerce commission or even the police as I dont see how that really helps matters in a small time operation, but I think if more people got involved, this sort of practise would become "socially unacceptable".

Incidentally, there was a $2.00 shipping cost added to the auction and the CD arrived wrapped in a A4 piece of paper (no case), a few pieces of sellotape and a 45c stamp lol - Again, quite "entrepreneurial"