alert!!!

[Sniper]

Interesting yet irrelevant point: in a head on collision between two cars going 100kph, the resultant speed adds up to a 200kph collision, but the force is spread evenly over both masses, therefore it is exactly the same as if one of the cars crashed into a huge concrete wall at 100kph. this is assuming, of course, that the wall would not take much of the impact.

Errrrr, and where and how do you deduce this?

[Swoop]

the road code is stupid. if im stuck behind a truck going 90 and try to pass him by going 100, i will need the whole passing lane to do it, whereas if i speed up and pass him at 130 i'll be sweet. that goes doubly for where there are no passing lanes, cos i dont want to be right in the middle of passing a truck when someone else appears in the other lane...

is there nothing us kiwis (including cage drivers) can do to stop the government charging us road tax at every concievable opportunity??????

Quite correct, it is better to get past quickly and back into your lane... HOWEVER the rules state that you cannot go faster than the posted limit - even when passing.

What can we do about it? Where did your vote go at the last election???
When did you last go and speak with your local MP???
When did you last write to the minister of police???
These bastards are our servants, please take the time to make sure they know this!

[oldrider]

is there nothing us kiwis (including cage drivers) can do to stop the government charging us road tax at every concievable opportunity??????

I hate to state the obvious but yes there is an answer to your question but it is not what you want to hear.
Stay within the limits or take the risk of paying out to the revenue collector.
You create the opportunity and they conceivably take your cash! simple really. :spudwhat: Cheers John.

[slopster]

Luckily if you get done at less then 10k over it is a $30 fine.

[bigbadwolf]

Errrrr, and where and how do you deduce this?

year 13 physics class. and i'm not one to argue with a teacher who has a doctorate in physics

Stay within the limits or take the risk of paying out to the revenue collector.

dam... so true...

What can we do about it? Where did your vote go at the last election???
When did you last go and speak with your local MP???
When did you last write to the minister of police???
These bastards are our servants, please take the time to make sure they know this!

as i am still a minor, i severely doubt that i could have any effect on the opinions of the wankers in charge. and i could write 1000 letters, but that would not even for the tiniest second cause any of our leaders to consider being more lenient in taxing us for "road use"

[StoneChucker]

Oh for feck sake. This stupid arguement comes up time and time again! I'm sorry, it is quite obvious that the speeding fines are given for two reasons. Revenue for the government (and therefore at some stage benefiting us as a collective) and to standardise the use of the roads and hopefully the safety there-on.

Yes it's bloody annoying being done for 111 km/h, but that's based on them giving us a 10km/h margin of error. You're doing 11km/h over the speed limit. Somewhere they have to draw a line, and the line is based on years of data from accidents and all other relevent areas. Why not put the open road limit at 110km/h? Then when you get caught at 121km/h you still want to bitch about it? Simple, make the limit 120km/h. But then 131km/h will be an unfair speed to be fined at??? Where exactly do "you" think it should stop?

And, who exactly pays to fix the road signs that Joe Smith takes out by misjudging a corner because he thought that 111km/h or 114km/h was a fairer speed for this section of road?

Alot of people bitch and whine about the F*$%ing speeding tickets which the cops revenue gather at "only" 11km/h over the speed limit when they came to work with obviously only one thing in mind, to find "you" and catch you unfairly and make you pay.

The way I see it, it's F&*%ing simple. If you don't want to be caught, or have to pay fines, whether or not you deem them fair, then don't f$&%ing exceed the limit in the first place. Clearly you are not capable of keeping a vehicle controlled correctly. Don't see it that way? Try taking off or landing a single engine aircraft 11% outside of the operating margins, and see how far you get! (11% being the 11km/h over the 100 km/h speed limit you bitch about, and the single engine aircraft being the only one I can quote from my personal experience)

[StoneChucker]

Hmm, server must have had a go slow, on submitting the previous post nothing happened for ages so I clicked stop and post again and it said I was posting a duplicate post. Guess it posted then took ages to forward me to the post Sooo this is just a test post, as I can't even see the thread when clicking "new posts"... I'm scared

[Karitane pete]

Hi All,
what is the legal requirement for a motorcycle speedo? they never read right how much error are we allowed by law 5% 10% who's knows, If a cop pings you at 105 you may get off, how Accurate is the cops Radar? ask to see the calibration cert if you feel like sturring.
Merry Christmas

[slopster]

Interesting yet irrelevant point: in a head on collision between two cars going 100kph, the resultant speed adds up to a 200kph collision, but the force is spread evenly over both masses, therefore it is exactly the same as if one of the cars crashed into a huge concrete wall at 100kph. this is assuming, of course, that the wall would not take much of the impact.

Note quite right mate. The energy (kinetic) of the collision is ½Mv² with M being mass and v being velocity. So a head on collision involving two cars at 100 clicks is twice the impact of a single car hitting a wall. However one car hitting a brick wall at 200 clicks is going to have four times impact of a car doing 100.

[sheddy]

everyone on this thread has valid points to make. The passing lanes[without right hand turns available, like near Maramarua. ( where is the sanity in allowing a right turn from a passing lane)] are the safest place to pass. There is a better than average chance the slow cage you have been following at 80km on the winding bits will speed up to near on 100km/hr on the passing lane. I say speed up a bit to cleanly get around him within the clear road available. Take your chances with getting a ticket and the low potential at this point for a crash. The law is the law and we all contribute to them like it or not. On a good day I would expect an oncoming highway cop to use some discretion?. On a bad day after the last guy they stopped got smart, your gonna pay money. Any crash with an impact of over [I''m guessing] 20km/hr is gonna do you serious damage.Sliding down the road hurts like hell but sudden stops don't bear thinking about.Remember after all is said and done you can reduce your risk by staying at home, but where is the fun in that. The ones who really p me off are those who think the first warning sign for end of passing lanes is the place to start your overtaking manouver ARRRgh! The other thing to remember of course in being human even the best of us make mistakes, it don't matter if your a rich man, poor man priest, plumber or a police officer if we get it wrong we all end up in exactly the same place... . Where any number of wheels are concerned and a bead on your abbacus gets misplaced, your in the crap.
And just like Billy Connely who always returns to the subject in hand... if your worried about tickets don't speed.

[gamgee]

so what are the incremental prices for each step over the speed limit?
like 10km/h over = $30
what about
20
30
40
50?

[Highlander]

Ever considered the possibility that these revenue gathering exercises only gather revenue from those breaking the rules?

I travel at a fairly consistent 100 - 110 on the open road and have NEVER been nabbed. When I do I'll write them a cheque.

You KNOW the rules, and that you know you are breaking them. Pay up and Shut up.

[swanman]

Funny I was listening to the radio the other day. There was a poll done on the regular police as to their biggest problems that they individualy see in their work day. The biggest response was lack of morale due to being underesourced with repect to manpower and equipment etc. As a note to this comment they also cited that way too many resources were put into the highway patrol.

As a road user of cars and bikes and having lived and driven in many different countries I can caetgoricaly say that NZ has the most highly policed road network I have experienced, but by same token it has one of the worst driving standards that I have experienced too. SUrely that doesn't make sense. Driver morale is pretty low as we are regularly ticketed for speeds that seem to be slightly higher than the speed limit on clear open roads, oftentimes when you are not even aware that you are "speeding." But at the same time the quality of the driving here is terrible (you know what I mean) and that rarely gets picked up by the highway patrols and certainly not by the speed cameras.

What causes highway accidents? (How do we get the road toll down?) Yes inappropriate speed does and bad quality driving does. DOing 91kmh in an 80kmh zone on SH17 on the hill just North of Albany village on a dual carriageway with no traffic does not cause accidents. (obviously this is a bit personal here).

Change the goddam policing of our roads! Bring in sense of fairness and reality. Pick up on speeding, yes, if it is excessive or dangerous, but focus more (much more) on bad driving standards: running red lights, turning without indicating, tailgating, pulling out in front of others, etc etc etc. That's where the problems are, NOT in speed per se.

I could write so much more, but I'll stop now as I feel a little fatigued after this rant

Oh while we are there, bring on compulsory insurance for all drivers. Lets have some finacnial responsability for our actions.

[Marmoot]

what about that only one damn cager doing 90 in 80 zone when other cars do 110? He'll be the odd one.
According to law, he is the safest one. BUT according to situation he is the danger because he is significantly slower than the others.

Should he speed up? Coz there is no way the others will slow down in this situation.

[WINJA]

ever considered the possibility that these revenue gathering exercises only gather revenue from those breaking the rules?

i travel at a fairly consistent 100 - 110 on the open road and have never been nabbed. when i do i'll write them a cheque.

you know the rules, and that you know you are breaking them. pay up and shut up.

i heard its illegal to break into houses and steal cars as well , why arent these crimes policed with as much enthusiasim, its about money not safety