NZ Road Toll Now Higher Than Last Year

**spudchucka** · 2nd January 2006, 07:49

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Nice rant Spud, but your way isn't working and your retard bosses have too much 'face' involved to ever admit they're wrong and try any alternatives.
A few of which have been suggested here many times.

I wouldn't care if we never targeted speed again. I'd be more than happy to target stupidity and have the power to remove stupid people from the roads. The problem being however that the wheels of industry would grind to a halt because after a few weeks there wouldn't be any legitimate road users left.

**NordieBoy** · 2nd January 2006, 08:06

Death kills.
Make death illegal and only criminals will die...

Or something...

**spudchucka** · 2nd January 2006, 08:06

Originally Posted by inlinefour

Its this sort of narrow, closed minded thinking that I'm talking about. True, I do not have the answers, but do you seriously think that the current status quo is the answer either? Ban high preformance vehicles, where will that sort of thinking stop? Ban freedom of speach and other basic human rights to ensure compliance with draconian law? I'm not saying that I want anything on my terms at all, I just believe that when something does not work, then its time to try something else. I see that you have made your mind up, or do you let Aunty Helen do that for yourself also?

The mental health system in NZ is fucked, not working and to blame for many unnecessary deaths. The people working in mental health are incompetant and the organisations administrators are narrow minded and focused solely on keeping crazy people out of institutions for the sole purpose of saving the Govt revenue.

How can I justify this statement? I'm not an expert in mental health but I've met my fair share of crazy fuckers, (most of them were the ones wearing the white coats).

The above is my assessment but I don't propose to tell the incompetants working in mental health how to do their jobs because I'm not an expert in that area.

You, along with most others that moan constantly about police are not an expert in law or policing.

Have your opinions by all means but enjoy wallowing in them safe in the knowledge that as long as the average drivers mental age reduces suddenly the moment they are in charge of a motor vehicle there will always be draconian laws and heavy policing of our roads.

**spudchucka** · 2nd January 2006, 08:09

Originally Posted by ZZR

I see that the toll now stands at 16. I think really it shows that the current policies don't work and that govt has its head in the sand.

What gets me is the 'it doesn't work but if we keep on doing it for long enough it will work one day..." attitude. Time for some new ideas.

The reason police target speed is to reduce trauma. The crashes will happen, they are inevitable. Reducing speeds and wearing safety belts will help reduce the carnage.

**spudchucka** · 2nd January 2006, 08:10

Originally Posted by inlinefour

But nor do the Police or the government...

Opinions are like arseholes.......

**scumdog** · 2nd January 2006, 08:14

I think most on this site could figure out all the above themselves Spud. - yeah right!

**Fatjim** · 2nd January 2006, 08:27

Originally Posted by spudchucka

The reason police target speed is to reduce trauma. The crashes will happen, they are inevitable. Reducing speeds and wearing safety belts will help reduce the carnage.

The reason they target speed is because they CAN. I don't see any HAWK stupidity radars out there. I'ts about time they had cameras, and BIG ones, not the pissant ones in "cruisers" you see on Worlds (read USA) wildest chases.

**inlinefour** · 2nd January 2006, 08:27

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Opinions are like arseholes.......

And the biggest ones end up in the government?

Happy new year spud.

**spudchucka** · 2nd January 2006, 08:28

Originally Posted by madboy

Spud, don't take it personally, but the bollocks you spout is the exact reason why I don't hang around for a chat with your brethren. I don't recall being chased on a bike for doing anything that would earn me a dangerous driving charge. Okay, once the chases began, different story, and EVERY time the lunatic with the 1600kg weapon behind me was doing much the same as I was on my 170kg weapon. EVERY time the plod have wanted a word about my riding it's initially been for exceeding the speed limit, and most times within 30k of the limit. Not dangerous. If the 5-0 policed dangerous driving/riding, I'd have never experienced a runner.

I'm not about to indulge you in a discussion aimed at justifying your foolish behaviour.

Originally Posted by madboy

I agree with many others here, even you to an extent, in that it's the idiots, the stupid ones. But I don't see exceeding the speed limit as stupid. I don't see passing on yellows stupid. I don't see running red lights as stupid. Wrong time and place, yeah, it's f***ing stupid. But right time and place it's a nothing. The dumbing down of our road enforcement to the point where there is no longer discretion or common sense applied is the true definition of stupid, and your attitude displayed here just demonstrates exactly why our police force is so unloved and ineffective at policing road safety.

There can never be discretion showed towards red light runner and overtakers on yellow lines. Harry Dhynhoven wants to take their licences off them at the roadside. Good job, if they can't drive within accepted standards then they don't deserve the privelidge of being a road user.

Originally Posted by madboy

Spud, if the cops are doing so right, answer me this. A camera van frequently sits on the Wgtn mway, just north of Aotea Quay. Usually during the day. 3-lane each way, median barriered section of mway, the nearest intersection is the offramp to Ngauranga Gorge, more than a kilometre up the road. I can take the "corner" section that the camera hides just after at over 200k in either bike or car, without leaving the lane. Clearly it's not a sharp corner then. Last accident I recall there was a rubbish truck that slide across the road and landed on the barrier. It was pissing down with rain, and about 7am. I bet you the truck was doing less than 110k. There's also the odd nose to tail in rush hour (and I bet they weren't doing over 110k either). WHAT CONTRIBUTION IS THAT CAMERA MAKING TO ROAD SAFETY?

I've got no love for speed cameras. As far as I'm concerned they are the one aspect of road policing that does stink of revenue collection.

The van probably parks in that spot because of staff safety requirements, (OSH).

Originally Posted by madboy

At least some of the other cops around here are a little more honest. They're just towing the party line, doing what they're told. But you seem to actually believe the bullshit that you're spouting. Quite frankly, it scares me. I really thought cops had to be smarter than that.

If you are calling me dishonest then you can go screw yourself. What I say is based on my experiences and observations but is obviously also influenced by my work. You might call it bullshit, thats your opinion. My opinion is that your talk of runners is a load of old wank and you will will come unstuck in time, either by getting caught big time or by killing yourself or somebody else.

**Fatjim** · 2nd January 2006, 08:30

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Opinions are like arseholes.......

See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/quotes

**miSTa** · 2nd January 2006, 08:30

Originally Posted by spudchucka

The reason police target speed is to reduce trauma. The crashes will happen, they are inevitable. Reducing speeds and wearing safety belts will help reduce the carnage.

They maybe inevitable but ticketing drivers going over the speed limit is not the only means of crash prevention.

Originally Posted by spudchucka

I wouldn't care if we never targeted speed again. I'd be more than happy to target stupidity and have the power to remove stupid people from the roads. The problem being however that the wheels of industry would grind to a halt because after a few weeks there wouldn't be any legitimate road users left.

Somewhat of an exaggeration, but it would bring about a change of mindset (which is needed). So you're saying the needs of business should overide the needs of public safety? I wouldn't think so but your comment is open to interpretation.

**Fatjim** · 2nd January 2006, 08:36

i know it's wrong, I know you have to have rules for everybody, that don't suit or appear sane to me. When it comes down to it, it's too damn hard not to. I guess I'll pay the fines and hope I don't kill someone else or myself.

Hows that for honesty

**spudchucka** · 2nd January 2006, 08:37

Originally Posted by ZZR

They maybe inevitable but ticketing drivers going over the speed limit is not the only means of crash prevention.

Somewhat of an exaggeration, but it would bring about a change of mindset (which is needed). So you're saying the needs of business should overide the needs of public safety? I wouldn't think so but your comment is open to interpretation.

So is any comment. Read it as it is or put your own spin on it. Thats what these forums are all about aren't they? Twisting other peoples words for the sole purpose of shit stirring?

**Fatjim** · 2nd January 2006, 08:37

Originally Posted by ZZR

So you're saying the needs of business should overide the needs of public safety? I wouldn't think so but your comment is open to interpretation.

Yep, thats exactly why we still have camper vans filled with foreigners on our roads.

**inlinefour** · 2nd January 2006, 08:39

Originally Posted by spudchucka

So is any comment. Read it as it is or put your own spin on it. Thats what these forums are all about aren't they? Twisting other peoples words for the sole purpose of shit stirring?

Besides, I ride too much like a nana to either get a ticket, nor do a runner