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    Quote Originally Posted by madboy
    . If the 5-0 policed dangerous driving/riding, I'd have never experienced a runner.

    I agree with many others here, even you to an extent, in that it's the idiots, the stupid ones. But I don't see exceeding the speed limit as stupid.
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    And doing a runner is not (at times for the pedants) dangerous??????

    Exceeding the speed limit IS dangerous - in the wrong place BUT the law does not differentiate and yet everybody has to justify why THEIR speeding at XX place was not dangerous to any person.
    So slow down or pay up (or go to court and try and defend it if you feel rich enough)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    Yeah, but the Canadians generally drive a shit-load better than the average Kiwi driver - who has NO idea what courtesy and consideration are let alone safety!

    Kiwi drivers are like 8 year old boys at a birthday party - it's all me! me! me!, push and shove and devil take the hindmost.
    And why is this?
    Perhaps it is because there is less 'win at all costs' sports aggression bullshit,indoctrinated into the young.It's not because of fanatical traffic enforcement,because that is only a policy of NZ,Victoria and some English jurisdictions.Basically the followers of the Swedish dwarf who acts as a consultant to these countries.
    And maybe they spend money on driver training in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixie
    For all the people that have asked what is the alternative and how bad it would be with less/no enforcement.
    This is the answer.People will travel at the speed they are comfortable at.The average speed would not increase significantly.
    Police dangerous driving not speed.
    And teach the cop what dangerous is.
    And if you didn't have a large proportion of idiots on the road this might work. However what speed to you think a young idiot in a turbo jap car with his mates is going to find 'comfortable', or Mr Smallpenis in his HSV who has something to prove.

    You would end up with these idiots who want to do 140+ spending alot of time on the wrong side of the road overtaking joe blogs with his family whose doing 110 and just wants to get to his destination preferably alive.

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    Just read today the road toll is the lowest in 44 years

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    Scumdog, the runner doesn't start until the cop tries to pull you over. And why do they try and pull you over? For speeding. So if they focused on dangerous driving to start with, and not speeding, then they wouldn't have tried to pull the bike over. So the runner would have never started. And that means the cops wouldn't have been on the wrong side of the road at 200k into oncoming traffic. But since a 1600kg car (or 3) doing 200k+ into oncoming traffic on the other side of the road is better for road safety than a 170kg motorcycle doing 130k in their own lane with no cars in front or behind... guess what's gonna happen.

    Spud, you and Andy Knacksted need to get a room. Last time I had to listen to a cop tell me that ticketing me for 120-something on a deserted 4-lane/median barriered mway was contributing to road safety... oh God, it took me ages to wipe the tears from my eyes.

    Can't you just admit that Road Safety as administered by the cops in NZ is just revenue gathering? At least IRD are honest about what their jobs are.

    By saying you don't agree with cameras, you're also saying you don't agree with a significant proportion of the road policing that goes on. Like the Highway Patrol for starters. Most of those guys seem to park exactly where 110+ is safe and easy to do. JUST LIKE CAMERA VANS. I don't see too many HP hiding in the middle of Paekak or the takas busting cages coming around blind corners on the wrong side of the road. God no, because that doesn't immediately self fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madboy
    Scumdog, the runner doesn't start until the cop tries to pull you over. And why do they try and pull you over? For speeding. So if they focused on dangerous driving to start with, and not speeding, then they wouldn't have tried to pull the bike over. So the runner would have never started. And that means the cops wouldn't have been on the wrong side of the road at 200k into oncoming traffic. But since a 1600kg car (or 3) doing 200k+ into oncoming traffic on the other side of the road is better for road safety than a 170kg motorcycle doing 130k in their own lane with no cars in front or behind... guess what's gonna happen.
    Nothing like taking a bit of personal responsibilty eh?:slap:

    "..not MY fault if they decide to chase me and it all turns to shit......"


    And how fast would you go before you thought "yeah, fair cop, I'm going too fast and better stop for the cop"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    Nothing like taking a bit of personal responsibilty eh?:slap:

    "..not MY fault if they decide to chase me and it all turns to shit......"
    You're damn right it's personal responsibility.

    Think of the chain of events of a runner.

    Bike exceeds speed limit, cop tries to stop bike, bike runs, cop chases.

    At any point here any party can pull out and the chain of events is terminated, and a runner either ends or is avoided. What's that saying, it takes two to tango... and the other one - two wrongs don't make a right.

    I'm not saying runners are right, I'm saying they work better for me than stopping every friggin time. But if one of you fellas takes me on, and kills someone in the process, it's your fault not mine. I decided to run, but you decided to chase me. If it's my bike nailing the kid, then I'm guilty of manslaughter. But if it's your Commodore, you bastards will do everything you can to run from that. Particularly after you've just bullshitted comms about the speeds involved, you've left out the dodgy bits that went down during the pursuit, and nobody mentioned anything about the traffic conditions being completely different to what was reported.

    Personal responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madboy
    Blahblah...Personal responsibility.
    I think Madboy had parents like these.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3527840a11,00.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoo
    However what speed to you think a young idiot in a turbo jap car with his mates is going to find 'comfortable', or Mr Smallpenis in his HSV who has something to prove.
    I still wonder what are the actual difference between young idiot in a turbo jap car and young idiot on a superbike.......or Mr Smallpenis in an HSV and Mr Smallpenis on a cruiser bike...

    Or, for that matter, a good driver in a turbo jap car and a good rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmoot
    I still wonder what are the actual difference between young idiot in a turbo jap car and young idiot on a superbike.......or Mr Smallpenis in an HSV and Mr Smallpenis on a cruiser bike...

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    The fact that the young idiot on a superbike is far more likely to only kill himself rather than young idiots in a cars who have a nasty habit of taking there passengers with them not to mention the poor innocent party who just happens to be coming the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoo
    *snip*not to mention the poor innocent party who just happens to be coming the other way.
    Oh right. I forgot about that, sorry. This will not happen with bikes, aye?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoo
    I think Madboy had parents like these.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3527840a11,00.html
    Guess they've seen the police assault their son and bash a hole in his car windscreen while he lay handcuffed on the ground underneath an officer too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Indoo
    The fact that the young idiot on a superbike is far more likely to only kill himself rather than young idiots in a cars who have a nasty habit of taking there passengers with them not to mention the poor innocent party who just happens to be coming the other way.
    So what you're saying is the bike is much less likely to kill someone than a car. Which makes even more of a mockery of the pigs chasing, cos up until that point it's only a bike speeding. Suddenly it's a bike going excessively fast, followed by 1 to 8 CARS going excessively fast. Do the math.
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    Less likely but stil capable of killing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlashWylde
    Less likely but stil capable of killing...
    Or something closer to home: the story of Erin Burges
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmoot
    Or something closer to home: the story of Erin Burges
    Was that the chase up northland way where the bike took out an oncoming car, killed the girl?
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