KB rides, the ride or the rider?

[justsomeguy]

And what a fuggin beeudy it was too.

The reason KBers crash on KB rides is simple, 98% of KBers can't actually ride a fucken motorcycle because they spend all their time on KB bitching about cagers/cops/speeding tickets/cagers/notwearingtherightprotectivegear/cops rather than actually practicing the art of riding a motorcycle.

Hey WhiteThrash........ how did you get so fast mate

[SVrunner]

agree with White trash about "practicing the art of riding a motorcycle"

[White trash]

Hey WhiteThrash........ how did you get so fast mate

Pay me a dollar and I'll tell you, just like everybody else.

[bugjuice]

that'd be a good 'get rich quick' scheme..
JSG, pay me a dollar, and I'll tell ya too..

[Cibby]

safety in numbers....

perhaps people feel the dont need to be as vigilant in a large group and therefore careless...

It sucks arse thou.....

white trash - a dollar your way if you tel us..

[White trash]

that'd be a good 'get rich quick' scheme..
JSG, pay me a dollar, and I'll tell ya too..

Sorry mate, you misread. He said "fast" not "last"

Beter luck next time.

[bugjuice]

oooo dems fightin wurds...

and i'd fukin loose.

[chickenfunkstar]

this topic has been covered a thousand times, and it ain't gonna die.
It's the rider of the bike. Always has been, always will be. That's the be all and end all. Who ever organizes it shouldn't wear the responsibility of crap like that. They have enough to do.

It's half the reason why I don't organise rides anymore anyway

I know this topic has been talked about in the past and I'm sure it'll come up again in the future at some point.

I still see quite a few posts along the lines of:
"newbs shouldn't be allowed to come on rides which faster riders are attending" or
"we should look look at how we organise rides"

If a newbie rider doesn't have the sence to know that he shouldn't be trying to keep up with more experianced riders on bigger bikes, then a crash is all but ineviatible. It doesn't have anything to do with the faster riders either.

[White trash]

oooo dems fightin wurds...

and i'd fukin loose.

Nah you'd be right sonny. Don't forget, I ride a HonDuh now. Slow as a wet week I tell ya.

[madboy]

perhaps people feel the dont need to be as vigilant in a large group and therefore careless...

...or they've got one eye glued to the tailight in front of them, and the other eye glued to the mirror image of the headlight behind them... instead of having BOTH eyes glued to the road that they're riding on! We all do it... gotta keep up with the Jones (or Suzuki's as the case may be).

[White trash]

...and according to my six year old, I know everything so listen the fuck up.

KBers are so caught up in the KB social experiance and doing the group rides (which is nice, don't get me wrong), that some of them have never actually ridden a bike by themselves. They don't go touring, they don't go see a mate at the other end of the country, they just do group rides. They're not learning in their own enviroment and they're getting a hell of alot of information told to them, most of which is bullshit, when they would have learnt it in their own time.

When was the last time Rider In Black crashed? Or Dangerous? Or Kickaha? Or Firefight? Or Bad Lieutenant? Or 100 other KBers that get out on their own and learn to ride.

Like that? You're welcome.

[justsomeguy]

If a newbie rider doesn't have the sence to know that he shouldn't be trying to keep up with more experianced riders on bigger bikes, then a crash is all but ineviatible. It doesn't have anything to do with the faster riders either.

I really want helmets to become optional by law and the "do not drink" labels taken off poisonous chemical liquids, oh and no warnings on ciggy packs either

[bugjuice]

I know this topic has been talked about in the past and I'm sure it'll come up again in the future at some point.

I still see quite a few posts along the lines of:
"newbs shouldn't be allowed to come on rides which faster riders are attending" or
"we should look look at how we organise rides"

If a newbie rider doesn't have the sence to know that he shouldn't be trying to keep up with more experianced riders on bigger bikes, then a crash is all but ineviatible. It doesn't have anything to do with the faster riders either.

the idea of newbs staying off rides is fucking stupid. It defeats the point of being a/joining KB, and they will not get the advantages of being around more experienced riders. They shouldn't join a ride where it's posted as a med/fast ride, but then most newbs seldom do, so that's ok. There's often rides where newbs and -250s are considered and they're great. Who ever is leading the pack should make absolutely clear that they should be riding at their own pace. Or even do a buddy system. That could be a good idea for a ride, get a bunch of experienced willing to give up a ride one after noon, and for that one experienced, have a 2 or 3 newbs. I guess a bit like MotoRacer's 'n00bs' ride last year..

But to say 'stay away from rides' to a newb is fuckin stupid. You need to question your own roots if you start thinking like that. It's good to ride with one or two people, or even solo if that works for ya, I don't doubt that at all. It's just the whole anti-newb-in-groups that I think isn't right. What WT said also is tops (altho you don't know everything )

oh fuck it, I've got involved with the thread. Sick of this stuff, but here I am..

[Zed]

Recently there seems to have been a bit of drama regarding all the crashing on KB rides. I've even seen a couple of posts which say that the rides are poorly orgainsed...

I'm glad you started this thread CF, I've been thinking about this issue of late and have had several discussions with members & non-members alike over these holidays.

What I have concluded is that many who turn up to KB rides are *strangers* and have never ridden together! Now the experienced group rider understands that there is a higher risk riding with someone you have never met or ridden with as opposed to someone you ride with regularly and get to know his/her riding style!

Many of us are starting to be more choosy about who we ride with so a number of small 'clicks' within the membership have begun where group rides are organised through PM's. This is a good thing, and I have been on many such rides where everyone is comfortable with eachother, and the risk of binning is reduced because there is a deeper respect & understanding of one anothers riding. On the other hand, I will still continue to organise KB rides in future because I do enjoy meeting new members and riding with them.

CF has got it right - each individual rider is responsible for their own riding at the end of the day, the exception would be if another rider is riding carelessly or dangerously but in my experience I havn't seen alot of that behaviour on our rides.

[chickenfunkstar]

the idea of newbs staying off rides is fucking stupid. It defeats the point of being a/joining KB, and they will not get the advantages of being around more experienced riders. They shouldn't join a ride where it's posted as a med/fast ride, but then most newbs seldom do, so that's ok. There's often rides where newbs and -250s are considered and they're great. Who ever is leading the pack should make absolutely clear that they should be riding at their own pace. Or even do a buddy system. That could be a good idea for a ride, get a bunch of experienced willing to give up a ride one after noon, and for that one experienced, have a 2 or 3 newbs. I guess a bit like MotoRacer's 'n00bs' ride last year..

But to say 'stay away from rides' to a newb is fuckin stupid. You need to question your own roots if you start thinking like that. It's good to ride with one or two people, or even solo if that works for ya, I don't doubt that at all. It's just the whole anti-newb-in-groups that I think isn't right. What WT said also is tops (altho you don't know everything )

oh fuck it, I've got involved with the thread. Sick of this stuff, but here I am..

I mostly agree with you, however I'd probably go as far as to say that there's no need for the organiser to make it clear that everyone is to 'ride at their own pace'. Even when you're new, it should be obvious that you shouldn't ride at a pace that you are not comfortable with. No one had to tell me this and I never crashed because my balls were bigger than my brain.

The idea of a 'buddy system' is good but I still see the organisers getting some flack if someone does come off which I think is absolute bollocks.