Southern KBs heading to Glenorchy

[Virago]

[gav]

FFS TWR obviously you take the red rep personally, look at your reaction!! Check what the rep indicates "I disapprove with this post" thats all, disapprove. Dangermouse obviously disagrees with your post as he's stated, thats all, he disagrees with your post. (Oh, and so do I!) Thats all the reputation button is for, approve or disapprove. Its not that bloody hard is it? No wonder people are losing interest in this site...........

[idb]

Overall I was totally impressed with the riding behaviour of all, including idb in stealth mode .

Cheers Jimmie, I was MUCH quieter on the old dunger the next day, I promise.

[T.W.R]

Yeah i was waiting for you to put your 5c in gav, you've just got a flea up your arse from a month or so ago.

As i said i couldn't give a monkey's about the reps or the points system that goes with it, & go einstein for knowing what their for, but its the comments that go with it.

Part the statement that the posting of the thread originally was "unnecessary" was pathetic, explain why its unnecessary?, something was seen & exposed, if they don't like it tough, what are they trying to hide.

Now as a fact, i posted a thread commenting on what i saw & in respect to a bit of roadcraft in relation to that sort of event as a general statement of safety & not a pick at any particular person.
So don't try & turn things around & make me look the villain for doing so. have a browse through old ride threads & the bins that have happened on these & how there have been close calls because of the spacing of associated bikes.

With the amount of accidents & the recent fatality, there should be more emphasis on safety on the road & conducting rides etc.
If people start jumping up & down and reacting in a negative manner towards it then more fool them! and taking the attitude that oh nothing happened & everything went OK isn't the way to be.

I'll defend anything i put up in a good cause when its attacked by someone who was involved & is insecure enough to think its a personal dig.

[dangerous]

Part the statement that the posting of the thread originally was "unnecessary" was pathetic, explain why its unnecessary?, something was seen & exposed, if they don't like it tough, what are they trying to hide.

Unnecessary...... yeah why, cos you are portraying that what you think you sore (and if you did see then there will be an acceptable reason for it) is how we ride all the time... it is not and I will defend my riding and I will defend my mates riding, you know doubt have no friends if you go around calling people c@#ts.

Like I said I criticise my and others riding as I take pride in it so once again I will defend the accusations that you spout.

[Rashika]

Cheers Jimmie, I was MUCH quieter on the old dunger the next day, I promise.

and I didn't even notice the noise.....hmm surprising really given that we were all only a hairs breadth apart. PT

Yeah i was waiting for you to put your 5c in gav, you've just got a flea up your arse from a month or so ago.

That aint going ta win you friends mate... he was giving an opinion only, and having been on a few rides he has more knowledge of our riding than you do in the 5 seconds you saw us all.

Part the statement that the posting of the thread originally was "unnecessary" was pathetic, explain why its unnecessary?, something was seen & exposed, if they don't like it tough, what are they trying to hide.

We have been simply responding to you....there was nothing "exposed" as you say, as there was no wrong

Now as a fact, i posted a thread commenting on what i saw & in respect to a bit of roadcraft in relation to that sort of event as a general statement of safety & not a pick at any particular person.
So don't try & turn things around & make me look the villain for doing so. have a browse through old ride threads & the bins that have happened on these & how there have been close calls because of the spacing of associated bikes.

With the amount of accidents & the recent fatality, there should be more emphasis on safety on the road & conducting rides etc.
If people start jumping up & down and reacting in a negative manner towards it then more fool them! and taking the attitude that oh nothing happened & everything went OK isn't the way to be.

problem being mate that THERE WAS NO ISSUE to those who were there.... YOUR OPINION was that there was not enough space, YOUR OPINION ONLY. Taken from a car going opposite direction at speed.
No-one is trying to make you look the villian... D is playing ya, cant ya see that?
And the recent fatality as you call it ...I'm assuming you mean the KBr, was simply thru inexperience, and prob a bit of bad luck, and that will keep happening no matter how much we hope it doesn't. Nothing to do with your thread, so ya prob shouldn't bring in it.

[T.W.R]

D & Rashika your still taking this as a personal thing which it isn't!!!!
I wish I had taken a photo to show the circumstances of it, as an example of what i was trying to put across.

If you can't except being used as an example sorry! and relating to accidents & S.Cs fatality (admittedly he was alone when that happened) but if someone stands-up & trys to shed a bit of light on avoiding incidents in different enviroments why try and extinguish it.

Put it this way: in a group ride, if your in the bunch you should ( by rights) only have to be concerned about 2bikes in front of you & 1 following & yourself. Not 3 or 4 in front & half a dozen filling your mirrors ( your not on a racetrack ).

[scumdog]

Listen shag, you MAYBE did see what was a bunch of riders riding too close together BUT it may have been the only time that day they were like that and could have been caused by a momentary slowing-down of the front rider, often it takes a few seconds before everybody realises that has happened and reacted accordingly.

I'm always slowing down to adjust my sunnies/adjust my skull mask/straighten my tassles or whatever - it's rare a bunch isn't unconsciously expanding/contracting like a giant caterpillar as it travels - even on a straight traffic-free road.

You said what you saw - others don't agree - end of story, nothing to see here, move on please.

[Sniper]

Guys, calm down. TWR made a point of what he saw. Dangerous offered his veiwpoint. You both got shitty because of red rep. Its not a biggie. No need to get nasty. End of 7 sentances.

[Rashika]

D & Rashika your still taking this as a personal thing which it isn't!!!!

ummm nope I haven't ...haven't sworn or even remotely tossed my toys yet, you would definately notice that :spudflip: just responding to what you have said.

If you can't except being used as an example sorry! and relating to accidents & S.Cs fatality (admittedly he was alone when that happened) but if someone stands-up & trys to shed a bit of light on avoiding incidents in different enviroments why try and extinguish it.

Put it this way: in a group ride, if your in the bunch you should ( by rights) only have to be concerned about 2bikes in front of you & 1 following & yourself. Not 3 or 4 in front & half a dozen filling your mirrors ( your not on a racetrack ).

I have no probs being used as an example IF there was something WRONG. But when nothing is wrong it seems to defeat any purpose at all...does the opposite in fact... riles people up and makes the original point moot and forgotton.
e.g. S.Cs fatality... and him being on his own, has exactly WHAT to do with group riding?
So how far spacewise do YOU think you need to be to avoid hitting an accident that happens in front of you? 5-10-15-20-25-30 metres?
And earlier you mentioned that your only option is to go off the road or to the other lane....that is going to be your ONLY option whatever happens, you aint suddenly going to be able to sprout wings. In a group I am always concerned with whoever is in front and behind, be it bike or car. If suddenly the space changes i will adjust as much as i can safely, and I have seen the other riders in the group do the same.
Like I said before you saw a VERY brief moment in time....I have no idea which moment it was so cant say for sure what may have been happening. We then rode for another 10 hours or so over the next 3 days.....and strangely managed to stay alive.... not even any close calls between riders, so the whole arguement seems to be moot.
I DO agree the riders need to be aware of the space between them....I wanna stay alive too you know ...but you prob need to use an exanple to really works to demonstrate it...
HEY even better go for a ride with us, see from the inside rather than the outer. We dont hold grudges...well I dont, dunno about the ginga bastard

[dangerous]

D & Rashika your still taking this as a personal thing which it isn't!!!!

Re read my posts... mate I said I never took it personaly, UNTILL you lost the debate and called me a childish cunt..... go figger :slap: which reminds me..... more red rep comming your way for that abuse, I'll try and remember to sign it this time...... mind you you dont give a shit anyway aye

[T.W.R]

Rashika, your still viewing it from a personal perspective, look beyond that for a minute.
you ask what i consider safe following distances; work this 100kmh = 100000m per 60minutes, that equals 1666.7m per minute & in turn that equals 27.8m per second.

When i saw the group you were all with in the distance between the road markers (100m) for the whole group, which if yous had been evenly spaced 10m per bike, mmm almost a third of the distance you'd travel in one second.

So theoretically for an instance say D or yourself had gone done for any reason that means at least half the group would have either ploughed right over the top of yous or had to play chicken with the on coming cars or headed into the rough ground.

and for the record following distances are supposed to be 2sec on the open road or at a point where the following vehicle can stop safely without hitting the vehicle in front of it.

As i first said it, the thread may just rattle cages but christ, D & yourself are acting like its a targeted attack on your riding, open your eyes to the big picture & don't be so insecure to think that way.
I don't care if anyone holds a grudge it isn't my problem whether their a ginga or not, wop de shit

it may have been the only instance of congested formation of the group during the whole weekend but it was seen GET OVER IT! it was only used as an example toughen up a bit & don't be so personally insecure

[T.W.R]

Re read my posts... mate I said I never took it personaly, UNTILL you lost the debate and called me a childish cunt..... go figger :slap: which reminds me..... more red rep comming your way for that abuse, I'll try and remember to sign it this time...... mind you you dont give a shit anyway aye

Yeah good on ya D just seen it and i'll save you some grace by not saying what your comment was with it, it just confrims what i said & who said it was a debate? oh thats right you did

go on give me another one

[Rashika]

Rashika, your still viewing it from a personal perspective, look beyond that for a minute.
you ask what i consider safe following distances; work this 100kmh = 100000m per 60minutes, that equals 1666.7m per minute & in turn that equals 27.8m per second.

When i saw the group you were all with in the distance between the road markers (100m) for the whole group, which if yous had been evenly spaced 10m per bike, mmm almost a third of the distance you'd travel in one second.

So theoretically for an instance say D or yourself had gone done for any reason that means at least half the group would have either ploughed right over the top of yous or had to play chicken with the on coming cars or headed into the rough ground.

and for the record following distances are supposed to be 2sec on the open road or at a point where the following vehicle can stop safely without hitting the vehicle in front of it.

As i first said it, the thread may just rattle cages but christ, D & yourself are acting like its a targeted attack on your riding, open your eyes to the big picture & don't be so insecure to think that way.
I don't care if anyone holds a grudge it isn't my problem whether their a ginga or not, wop de shit

it may have been the only instance of congested formation of the group during the whole weekend but it was seen GET OVER IT! it was only used as an example toughen up a bit & don't be so personally insecure

IN case you haven't noticed I have been "looking beyond" what you have been saying for a number of posts, between the putting people down bits that is(and I aint refering to me at all, in case you thought I was, my self esteem is damn fine thanks mate, dont be concerned for me ) ..... but now I am starting to get slightly pissed off.

1. Original topic: so the bikes were 100 metres apart huh; 10 bikes STAGGERED, (just in case you missed that wee minor detail) = 5 bikes behind each other at 20 metres apart. Fuck i can even add, damn good for a chick.

2. I dont have issue with how I ride, nor any of the others with us and that includes spacing, FULL STOP. Not had any complaints from others either. Given that you have never and now I hope NEVER do ride with me, you wont ever be able to confirm it in person... ah well your loss and CERTAINLY my gain

3. Was thinking that maybe you are actually someone that does want to help....proven wrong again...you just seem to want to keep stirring with all your provocative posts. There are ways to post that doesn't involve called people "childish cunts" and "having a flea up your arse"...just what sort of things are you expecting to get back from that sorta shit? I see you have yet to learn that...perhaps too late I feel.

4. The only one that seems to have issues here with any of the posts from anyone on this thread is you. I tried to lighten the feeling of the thread and even , god forbid, get it back On topic, but nope, a childish piece of bullshit "wop de shit " back from you.

I see that you simply are one of those people who is not prepared to listen, and will only respond negatively to any comment so thats about it for me. Cheers mate, the VERY first piece of red rep i have EVER handed out.....enjoy!
And you being so NON childish, I'm sure i wont be getting red rep in return....

give ya half and hour shall I?

[T.W.R]

1. Original topic: so the bikes were 100 metres apart huh; 10 bikes STAGGERED, (just in case you missed that wee minor detail) = 5 bikes behind each other at 20 metres apart. Fuck i can even add, damn good for a chick.

thats the thing you guys WEREN'T in staggered formation apart from Jimmie,ZZR & the bloke on the red GPZ. there was a fair gap between Jimmie,ZZR & the red GPZ and the rest of you lot.

and yet again you missed it, i said if you'd been spaced evenly 10m apart. from the following bike doesn't matter whether its staggered or not its still 10m, its still distance between you & the next bike be it in front or behind, staggered or indian-file.