5km/hr speed tolerance

[Finn]

Funnily enough, he did nothing when I flipped him the bird.

And he couldn't anyway. Flipping the bird to anyone is not illegal. All he could have done is pull you over and try to find something to ping you with. Good on yah

[Swoop]

If parents got their little darlings to walk to school, there would be:
a: less traffic congestion around schools,
b: healthier kids,
c: daries [sp] getting a bigger turnover because of more kids walking past + hungrier kids???

"Welcome to my Kwik-E-Mart"
"thank you, come again".

[Lou Girardin]

If parents got their little darlings to walk to school, there would be:
a: less traffic congestion around schools,
b: healthier kids,
c: daries [sp] getting a bigger turnover because of more kids walking past + hungrier kids???

"Welcome to my Kwik-E-Mart"
"thank you, come again".

But, but, but, they might get molested, or struck by lightning, or even get tired.
poor widdle dears.
Someone should tell them they're in more danger of mum rolling her 4WD.

[Phurrball]

(snip)
I'm thinkin of getting a sticker made that reads "KILLER SUV" and putting on my SUV just to piss cry babies like you off.

I brought an SUV to tow the boat and dirt bikes around. It's also got great boot space. The other factor I like is the level of protection you have in it. Yes, that's right MY families protection. I don't give a shit what anybody else drives and if someone does something stupid and I can't stop in time well I guess I'll be better off... which is why I drive one.

Until you have to swerve to avoid something at motorway speeds.

Have a read of 'High and Mighty: SUVs--The World's Most Dangerous Vehicles and How They Got That Way' by Keith Bradsher.

It's an interesting read, based on US experience. It explodes the myth that SUVs are safer and explains the 'arms race' on the road.

[Beemer]

Are any cops out there able to answer my question? Do you have to slow to 20kph whenever passing a school bus stopped to pick up or drop off children - no matter where it is? I'm talking about instances where the bus is stopped on the side of the road on a state highway in a 100kph zone - does the 20kph rule still apply?

[yungatart]

I work at a school, which is close to three other schools and a kindergarten. I'd be lucky to get to 30 km/h top speed on my way to work.. even if I could do 50, I probably wouldn't. I don't want to live the rest of my life feeling guilty for having hit/killed some kid.

[thehollowmen]

Are any cops out there able to answer my question? Do you have to slow to 20kph whenever passing a school bus stopped to pick up or drop off children - no matter where it is? I'm talking about instances where the bus is stopped on the side of the road on a state highway in a 100kph zone - does the 20kph rule still apply?

I've been searching through the legistlation http://legislation.govt.nz and for the life of me can't find anything about school buses

according to LTSA (ref : http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roa...ts/speed3.html) yes, I think that it would apply in the 100 zone as it also applies to both lanes of traffic.

But yeah, even going 60, you turn a corner and pass a bus that's stopped there and you're in it deep. I'd hate to think of the fine at 100 km/h

[Lou Girardin]

Are any cops out there able to answer my question? Do you have to slow to 20kph whenever passing a school bus stopped to pick up or drop off children - no matter where it is? I'm talking about instances where the bus is stopped on the side of the road on a state highway in a 100kph zone - does the 20kph rule still apply?

Yep, and 100 minus 20 = 80 km/hs, 40 over 'walking speed'.
So what you have to ask yourself is, do I risk a liberace and getting killed or do I obey the law.

[sunhuntin]

i tend to avoid school areas with a vengence as kids are leaving and arriving. been past the local high school bang on 3 once, and wont be doing it again...idiot teens literally looking cars and myself in the eye and stepping out anyways.

as for where the new rule starts/begins, id base it on where the first parent car is parked and where the last one is parked. thats usually when i slow down, even during school hours, when the kids would be in class [like, 10am or whatever] i like the new rule, but agree there needs to be some clarification and maybe sign posts that could be put up/taken down as required [like the fold out children crossing signs] also, it would have to cover surrounding streets. i know one of the busiest streets here often has kids walking themselves to school, and most have to cross that road. im amazed ive not seen one hit yet...these are kids from aged 5 to i think 10 or 11.

to go along with this rule, i think there should also be some student education involved. a kindy here has put in speed bumps either side of the driveway, which is great. pedestrian crossings would only be abused. the primary schools that have the "lollypops' they can push out are a great idea.

[SVrunner]

Always the worst time for kids going back to school they have forgotten all the road rules- car is bigger than me.
Only problem I found last year was older school kids crossing the road [not on crossings] & going slowly so that traffic has to stop.
What is being taught in schools?

[madboy]

1. Thanks BC for the heads up
2. I agree in principle, people just shouldn't be speeding around schools. But I will probably get busted for doing 28k past the bus.
3. Where I have a problem is in the enforcement of this. I have ZERO faith that the local plod will apply common sense to this. ZERO faith. I got read the riot act by the fuzz many moons ago for 95k+ past a school. Wanted to charge me with dangerous driving. Lectured me about the pedestrian crossing right outside the school, the dangers of speeding near schools, what if a kid stepped out?? But, umm, duh, it was after midnight on a Saturday night?
4. Saslex - those speed sign things are cool. I pass one each day on the way to work on a mway offramp into a sharp left where the limit drops from 100 to 50. It gives you your speed up to 55 or 59 I think, then it says slow down, but if you're going much faster it doesn't say anything at all. Guess what my goal is each morning?
5. Lou, your comment re parking around schools etc. I drop my daughter at school each morning and the amount of f***wit driving I see is scary. But it's not usually speed, it's inattention. But the parking situation is nuts. People WILL park really close to the crossing making viewing a problem, but it's not too bad because the crossing is controlled by lollipops anyway. And it's a private school so it's SUV city (note, I'm pointing out fact, not critisicing SUV owners, but I would also like to point out the fact about higher chances of being INVOLVED in an accident in the first place).

[snuffles]

yet another excuse for revenue collection to try and fix a fundamental issue with kiwi drivers, suppose it makes for even more good police public relations.

[N4CR]

Do you have to slow to 20kph whenever passing a school bus stopped to pick up or drop off children - no matter where it is? I'm talking about instances where the bus is stopped on the side of the road on a state highway in a 100kph zone - does the 20kph rule still apply?

I have a slight variation on this question. On one of my commuting routes during school time there is regularly a bus parked outside the entire day, empty and no kids around etc. Do you have to slow for that as there is clearly no difference between that and a normal bus apart from the fact that it is displaying 'school' signs?

[sAsLEX]

But, but, but, they might get molested, or struck by lightning, or even get tired.
poor widdle dears.

Dont laugh, the bloody ARC is banning some kind of Palm tree cause stupid arse children keep injuring themselves on the barbs. What kind of leftist nanny state is this turning in to!

[sAsLEX]

I have a slight variation on this question. On one of my commuting routes during school time there is regularly a bus parked outside the entire day, empty and no kids around etc. Do you have to slow for that as there is clearly no difference between that and a normal bus apart from the fact that it is displaying 'school' signs?

the speed limit past a bus is 20 during the act of dropping/picking up children, including as it pulls over and takes off again.

So unless kiddies where getting on and off the whole day the posted 50 limit should stand.