TAWA 40KM/H NOooooooooo!

**Badcat** · 23rd May 2004, 13:59

all i can say is you are def. taking your life in your hands speeding in my street.

i think my best friend put it best when he said:
"Think twice before making me protect my children".

and yes - that's a threat, nothing hidden in there at all.

Ken

**wkid_one** · 23rd May 2004, 14:10

Fergusson Drive in Upper Hutt is a prime example of a street that should have a 60kph limit.....in all the years of driving down that street I have NEVER had someone run out. HOwever my parents street has become a veritable race track as people try to avoid 2 sets of lights by going the back way....yet there are young families in nigh on every second house. Let's just say - back in the days when my old man was still a chippy - it was completely coincidental the amount of Z nails that fell out the back of the ute.

**RiderInBlack** · 23rd May 2004, 15:22

Fu*k I have enough "fun" getting my bike to do 50KPH, you'd not have much luck of getting me to go slower.

As for speed bumps and chicanes being the answer, don't make me laugh. They only add to the fun for these drives/riders.

Putting down some bricks and Z-nails across your road is only going to cause you and your neighbours more problems than the hoons. Apart from the damage of hit them yourself, you also run the risk of causing someone to loss control of their vehicle makig it plow into your yard or house (how does this protect your children?).

Personally you should not let your child play on any road. It's not safe. Should we have a speed limit of 40KPH on all roads? I say this because I have come accross children (amongst other things, like fu*ken horses Motu

) on a lot of the "open" roads I have traveled on. Kids and Horses were on 2-3 different sections of the road that BigB and I rode on Saturday. Luck for them I was raised in the country and am always lookig at for these kinds of hassards (just wished that their parents or owners would take more responcibility and keep them off the road).

**Badcat** · 23rd May 2004, 15:28

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

Fu*k I have enough "fun" getting my bike to do 50KPH, you'd not have much luck of getting me to go slower.
Personally you should not let your child play on any road. It's not safe. Should we have a speed limit of 40KPH on all roads? I say this because I have come accross children (amongst other things, like fu*ken horses Motu

) on a lot of the "open" roads I have traveled on. Kids and Horses were on 2-3 different sections of the road that BigB and I rode on Saturday. Luck for them I was raised in the country and am always lookig at for these kinds of hassards (just wished that their parents or owners would take more responcibility and keep them off the road).[/color][/size][/font]

It's Just a guess, but i'd say you aren't blessed with children?

**RiderInBlack** · 23rd May 2004, 15:38

Originally Posted by Badcat

It's Just a guess, but i'd say you aren't blessed with children?

No, but it does not lessen my point. Have you own stock or horses. Believe me, they are nearly as unpredicable and less able to be reasoned with. Any farm owner (and most Horse owners) know they are responsible for keeping their stock from wandering unsupervised on the road. Is your responsiblity any less as a parent?

**Badcat** · 23rd May 2004, 15:48

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

No, but it does not lessen my point. Have you own stock or horses. Believe me, they are nearly as unpredicable and less able to be reasoned with. Any farm owner (and most Horse owners) know they are responsible for keeping their stock from wandering unsupervised on the road. Is your responsiblity any less as a parent?

not dodging responsibilty at all RIB.
very aware of my responsibilities as a parent - thanks.
your point is still bollocks though.
i don't have stock - the point wasn't about stock or horses.
the point was about dickheads speeding through residential areas where children are.
are you really defending them?
and dude - if your bike wont travel at less than 50kph, i suggest you either get it tuned by a grown up - or take some lessons in riding.
(quite glad you don't live near me by the way)

ken

**RiderInBlack** · 23rd May 2004, 17:24

Originally Posted by Badcat

the point was about dickheads speeding through residential areas where children are.
are you really defending them?
and dude - if your bike wont travel at less than 50kph, i suggest you either get it tuned by a grown up - or take some lessons in riding.
(quite glad you don't live near me by the way)

ken

I am not supprised that you are getting all heated-up, as you made you own oppion about what I have been trying to get accross.
This Thread started on what we thought about 40KPH restrictions in highly residental areas.
My point was that you will have very little luck controlling Speeding and Hooning down you streets by any of the methods mention so far. This was a practial statement NOT a condonement for using residential areas for "racing".
I was also trying to state that parents need to keep their child off the streets as it is not safe no matter what the speed restriction is. Sure blame the drive/rider but it's not going to help your kid after it has happened.
If I rode my bike at a speed that would be perfectly safe for any unsupervised child wondering around on the road, it would be easier for me to park the bike out of town and walk there (taxis, buses and other vechicles would still be a risk for that child). Hell why not make your road total safe and turn it in to a big footpath (you would not be able to drive to you house but the children would be safe on the road).

**Badcat** · 23rd May 2004, 18:11

sorry RIB.
after re-readimg all the posts - i think i over-reacted a little there...
i now see where you are coming from, and we probably agree more than i saw.
a little too much coffee today for me i think.
sorry again

k

**RiderInBlack** · 23rd May 2004, 20:35

Thats OK BC, I get fired up myself. Bad news because I could argue ether side once I get started.

Hell, I want streets to be safer for everyone (special Kids) as I've work as an Orthopeadic Nurse. But we also need to be practical. I just don't see 40KPH Limits as being so. The ones that are make these streets unsafe will always be do a lot more than 50KPH, why make life more difficult for the rest of us?

**Badcat** · 23rd May 2004, 21:23

totally with you on the argue either side thing!!
i was thinking just that.
be well bud.

k

**pete376403** · 23rd May 2004, 22:58

Keeping the kids safe by keeping off the road (ie on the footpath) is the PARENTS responsibility, and no-one elses. It is even possible that the slower speed restriction will lead to more kids being injured if the parents neglect their responsibilty because of a "the kids are all right, we're in a special slow zone" mindset.
Spoken (written) as a parent who raised four kids in one of Upper Hutts back street high speed bypasses

**rodgerd** · 24th May 2004, 07:38

Originally Posted by spudchucka

As I've said before if traffic cops were mandatorily rotated back through general duties every couple of years their focus may be directed back to targeting the right section of our "community", ie: the burglars, theives, drug dealers etc.

It's just my opinion.

Am I more likely to be killed by a burglar, or a twat behind the wheel?

Hell, I've been hit by twats in cars more often than I've been burgled.

**Badcat** · 24th May 2004, 08:11

Originally Posted by pete376403

Keeping the kids safe by keeping off the road (ie on the footpath) is the PARENTS responsibility, and no-one elses. It is even possible that the slower speed restriction will lead to more kids being injured if the parents neglect their responsibilty because of a "the kids are all right, we're in a special slow zone" mindset.
Spoken (written) as a parent who raised four kids in one of Upper Hutts back street high speed bypasses

no-one said is wasn't the parent's resonsibility.
ken

**pete376403** · 24th May 2004, 14:11

Yah but the purpose of the 40 restirction is to ensure the streets are safe for the kiddies. The parents can ignore their responsibility cos the drives will get blamed if the vehicle is unable to stop when the kid pops out from between parked cars.

**ManDownUnder** · 24th May 2004, 14:22

Originally Posted by Jim2

I work with a bloke who lives in a Cul-de-sac in Tawa. He has a 3 year old and an 18 month old. If the behaviour I saw when I went round on a saturday evening from boy-racers at the end of the cul-de-sac is a regular event then the residents would be justified in asking for a 5km/hr limit and a minefield.

I say leave the speed at 50kph and give all residents a painball gun (regularly supplied with ammo as part of their rates of course)

The law could read "any dickheads in cages should be considered to have a target on the drivers window"

Of course should you HIT that windows you get 50 points and 1/2 the fine the idiot would have got.

If the window is open... double points and the WHOLE fine!

MDU