TAWA 40KM/H NOooooooooo!

[FROSTY:Me]

RIB dude you have NO idea how bloody quick little kids can be.
The little bugers can be up and gone in a mater of seconds
It is impossible to watch em all the time and with the amount of infill building and stuff going on the only place left to kick a ball around can be the street.
But that aside I still feel that lowering some speed limits would be advantagous --as well as RAISING some speed limits. A perfect example would be great north road--a main arterial road.

[MD]

Update on this old thread. I got a report today from the Council with the outcome from our submissions on Tawa road safety proposals. Must be great to be an all powerful Council able to ignore constituents sound logic and to hell with democracy- the Council knows best for us idiot rate payers.
Despite only 4 submissions supporting 40kph its coming. 29 were against it and a further 57 wanted it watered down/conditional.
Atleast I half won my private battle against the m/way off ramp & slip road reduction from 100 to 50. They amended this to 70kph. Still that is probably enough to cause merging vehicles to crash where there has been no reported crashes in the past. Quiet clever that. They take a crash free spot, impose stupid law and hey presto they can justify ther decision because, guess what, NOW it is a crash black spot- lucky we anticpated this and acted first they'll say as they pat each other on the back. Bastards, I'd go live in a communist country if I could bloody well find one with decent roads.
Be scared, your neighbourhood will be next.

[Wenier]

damn thats a real bugger o well i dont live in tawa no more so it dont matter to me even though i was the starter of the thread suprise it got so much feed back.

[James Deuce]

Update on this old thread. I got a report today from the Council with the outcome from our submissions on Tawa road safety proposals. Must be great to be an all powerful Council able to ignore constituents sound logic and to hell with democracy- the Council knows best for us idiot rate payers.
Despite only 4 submissions supporting 40kph its coming. 29 were against it and a further 57 wanted it watered down/conditional.
Atleast I half won my private battle against the m/way off ramp & slip road reduction from 100 to 50. They amended this to 70kph. Still that is probably enough to cause merging vehicles to crash where there has been no reported crashes in the past. Quiet clever that. They take a crash free spot, impose stupid law and hey presto they can justify ther decision because, guess what, NOW it is a crash black spot- lucky we anticpated this and acted first they'll say as they pat each other on the back. Bastards, I'd go live in a communist country if I could bloody well find one with decent roads.
Be scared, your neighbourhood will be next.

Democracy starts and ends with each election. If you don't have the MPs and councillors in place you want you're until the next round of elections. The elected reps assume they have a mandate to do what they need/want as a result of the elections and any public submissions/referenda are only acted upon if it is obvious that a critical mass has been reached that will affect the outcome of the next election.

[wkid_one]

Update on this old thread. I got a report today from the Council with the outcome from our submissions on Tawa road safety proposals. Must be great to be an all powerful Council able to ignore constituents sound logic and to hell with democracy- the Council knows best for us idiot rate payers.
Despite only 4 submissions supporting 40kph its coming. 29 were against it and a further 57 wanted it watered down/conditional.
Atleast I half won my private battle against the m/way off ramp & slip road reduction from 100 to 50. They amended this to 70kph. Still that is probably enough to cause merging vehicles to crash where there has been no reported crashes in the past. Quiet clever that. They take a crash free spot, impose stupid law and hey presto they can justify ther decision because, guess what, NOW it is a crash black spot- lucky we anticpated this and acted first they'll say as they pat each other on the back. Bastards, I'd go live in a communist country if I could bloody well find one with decent roads.
Be scared, your neighbourhood will be next.

And how much tax dollars did this fiasco suck up - for what benefit. I would really love to sit down with the people who do the feasibility studies for these wonderous ideas - as shit, if they can make them work, I want them in on my next request for a pay rise! It must be the same people who think annually that raising PM's salary is a good idea.

It is strange - coz they still fuck around with making decisions about places that are typically traffic nightmares. What difference is 10kph going to make in all honestly. Shit if someone is going to hit you at 50kph - all it will mean is the dent is going to be smaller.

[riffer]

What difference is 10kph going to make in all honestly. Shit if someone is going to hit you at 50kph - all it will mean is the dent is going to be smaller.

Not according to Monash University Research Centre...

[bear]

I reckon it's confusing enough now, there's already 50, 60, 70, 80 zones, and sometimes hard to remember what speed zone you're in. Another ploy to increase ticketing writing?

[MD]

2nd resurrection of this thread for those interested. Those that aren't, well your suburb will be next sooner or later. The Wgtn City Council has mailed out it's final proposal. After living here for 7 years with no fatal acidents in Tawa the WCC are still going to wrap us in cotton wool with the entire suburb reduced to 40kph. This will increase petrol consumption, increase travel times and increase road rage all in order to reduce the zero fatalities to... zero! Like can't they find real black spots to resolve.
Oh, the braindead shitheads have left a single through road at 50 - in places. How kind of them. But only after stuffing it up with more roundabouts than bomb craters in Iraq so it makes no bloody difference. So now ever bloody trip, no matter what time of day, or road conditions is going to be at a walking pace.
If it didn't piss me off so much I'd laugh at the complete waste of time this whole exercise will be. Here's the real laugh and why this will make no difference. 3 weeks ago a car load of very drunk lads crashed in front of our house. Our street takes a steep straight climb then levels off (totally blind view beyond the crest). So these lads wanted to get airborne. They freely admitted to me and the Police that they were doing 130 to get some serious airtime. Idiots forgot that 1. they couldn't see anything beyond the top lip, so God help any pedestrians or cars coming towards them - they landed on the other side of the road. 2. after the crest the road veers left then right- hard to turn left whilst airborne, as they discovered when they went across a driveway and lawn then bounced off a tree.
Anyway, that's all beside the point- WHAT BLOODY DIFFERENCE WOULD THE LIMIT BEING 40 HAVE MADE! Had it been 40, 50 60 or bloody 19.6kph they would have still crashed at 130!! But now the WCC finally have a crash stat to back their stupid proposal and make every good driver suffer. Just as well I'm getting into cycling more, even that may soon be at illegal speeds.

[Madness]

There might be a small upside????
With any luck the Wellington Highway Patrol might spend more time in Tawa, after all the bakery there is pretty good and they can fill their quota in an hour with the new speed limit ( simply ticket all those doing 50km/h ) and then have a snooze for the rest of their shift.....

I hope they don't try it in the Hutt!!

[Coyote]

Just as well I'm getting into cycling more, even that may soon be at illegal speeds.

Or cycling will get more restrictions. Eventually we'll have to all have brake lights and indicators, warrants to make sure it doesn't fall to pieces on the road and all bikes will need to be rego'd

[madboy]

The Nana State strikes again. How blanket is this? Are we talking the ENTIRE Tawa suburb? Or are we talking a selected few areas?

[MD]

The Nana State strikes again. How blanket is this? Are we talking the ENTIRE Tawa suburb? Or are we talking a selected few areas?

The entire bloody suburb Madboy! Does that makes sense to you? Hard to believe a suburb with no fatalities or serious injury crashes in decades suddenly needs every single street made safer. I asked the WCC at a local meeting for the serious stats and they admitted there have not been any!
I mean shit a brick what next. Following their stupid logic to it's idiotic conclusion to remove all threats you must have 5kph speed limits, no electricity, no playgrounds, no rivers, creeks,streams or oversized puddles, no structures higher than 2 metres...
No, even better, their utopia - NO PEOPLE= ZERO DEATHS/INJURIES.
Why fix what's clearly not broken, that's my gripe.
Look at the bright side. At 55kph you're doing a runner!

[madboy]

Look at the bright side. At 55kph you're doing a runner!

I couldn't condone runners. But I'd still try it on from 40, on principle. But if it ties up some more valuable police resources in enforcing a strategic safety initiative then I'm all for it - gives the real criminals a break. And since I'm trying to kill someone according to the LTNZ, that must mean that I'm a real criminal.

[Wenier]

2nd resurrection of this thread for those interested. Those that aren't, well your suburb will be next sooner or later.
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stupid proposal and make every good driver suffer. Just as well I'm getting into cycling more, even that may soon be at illegal speeds.

I can tell you the difference, more revenue! Now im surprised to see this thread i started years ago hanging in there, man im proud.

Secondly i havent been living in Tawa due to a move south sometime ago but on trips had seen how many stupid roundabouts had been installed and thought this is just ridiculous. And besides that i am moving North again soon so will be spending more time in the Tawa area on weekends and would get annoyed by the 40k limit.

Sad to see they still passing it through so yea. Good luck for all the locals.

[madmal64]

Gee now I suppose those wonderful "your speed" digital readout signs at either end of main road in Tawa will start showing that SLOW DOWN at just over 40 kmh now.