Gangs & Patches

[scumdog]

i doubt it'd be much worse

Then you must be very 'young'.

(As in being aware how the world and humans function).

[idleidolidyll]

Then you must be very young.

on the contrary, i was at eden park when police thugs attacked, i have been ticketed by police for driving too slow (25mph in a 30mph), i've seen our political cops 'protect' the leaders of abusive foreign countries by taking away all our rights to protest, i've seen cops smoke dope then the same cops bust dope smokers, i've been burgled and waited for DAYS to be visited but driven up the road to receive a tax fine for breaking arbitrary 'laws'; i could go on and on and on................fuck, i've even got rellies in the gang

respect is earned, coppers haven't earned much in my book

[idleidolidyll]

besides scumdog, i thought you didn't give a shit that i have little respect for the pigs?

if that's the case why are you going on and on?

[scumdog]

on the contrary, i was at eden park when police thugs attacked, i have been ticketed by police for driving too slow (25mph in a 30mph), i've seen our political cops 'protect' the leaders of abusive foreign countries by taking away all our rights to protest, i've seen cops smoke dope then the same cops bust dope smokers, i've been burgled and waited for DAYS to be visited but driven up the road to receive a tax fine for breaking arbitrary 'laws'; i could go on and on and on................fuck, i've even got rellies in the gang

respect is earned, coppers haven't earned much in my book

Hmmm, well that's the way life is - and a lot of the stuff you mention is stuff away in your past and the Police environment has evolved since then, time to put it behind you...

BTW: Not saying NZ is perfect when it comes to its Police but try and think of a country where the Police are a lot better than in NZ - not too many out there I can tell you.

[scumdog]

besides scumdog, i thought you didn't give a shit that i have little respect for the pigs?

if that's the case why are you going on and on?

Never said I 'don't give a shit' BUT just trying to lessen the vitriol in your blood by trying to give an even less negative approach to things.

And the going on and on thing? Pot-Kettle-Black imho...

[idleidolidyll]

in the past?
oh come on scumdog, it was only recently that the police were used by govt to remove our right to protest the premiere of China and visiting scum from the USA and Britain.
It aint long ago that a man was slaughtered for breaking windows and then the coppers did the usual whitewash on the case.

i'll believe in the police again when cynical tax collection is put aside in favour of coppers in the community (and not just in cars), coppers walking the suburbs where the burglaries and most violence occurs.

until then you'll just have to learn to live with my disrespect and that of many thousands of others

[idleidolidyll]

And the going on and on thing? Pot-Kettle-Black imho...

dude, grab some reality. I wasn't the one saying I didn't give a shit about the disrespect, you were.................and then you went on and on and on and on and still you continue.

My line is that I DO give a shit about our cops and how they are used and abused and how they in turn use and abuse.

[scumdog]

in the past?
oh come on scumdog, it was only recently that the police were used by govt to remove our right to protest the premiere of China and visiting scum from the USA and Britain.
It aint long ago that a man was slaughtered for breaking windows and then the coppers did the usual whitewash on the case.

i'll believe in the police again when cynical tax collection is put aside in favour of coppers in the community (and not just in cars), coppers walking the suburbs where the burglaries and most violence occurs.

until then you'll just have to learn to live with my disrespect and that of many thousands of others

I thought you were meaning stuff that had affected you personally in the earlier post - how has any of the events in THIS post affected you personally??

Life is too short to worry about stuff like the above - and a little less of the emotional 'a man was slaughtered for breaking windows' would help your arguments.

Vote in a Government that will make Police fall into line with how you feel they should be and I guess you will live in Utopia and we both will be happy..

Until then I'll just have to shrug my shoulders and live with the disrespect of you and many thousand others because I'm not paid enough to worry about it.

[idleidolidyll]

no scumdog, life is NOT too short to worry about the restriction of our rights by the very people who are tasked with policing our rights.

as for the 'emotional' behind the man slaughtered for breaking windows, of course that's an emotional issue and so is the whitewash that followed.

fuck all that, i live in NZ and I don't want to live in amerika or any facsimilie of it

you may think we should meekly obey and passively do nothing as our rights are abused and our police are turned into political tools in the speed/cannabis/protest issues and more but i say fuck that, passive submissives get nothing done, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

[scumdog]

Good luck with finding a squeaky wheel that works - I've been around long enough to realise there is no really effective squeaky wheel.

And the broken windows man? In the same circumstances I'd have done the same without batting an eye, - all the loser had to do was drop his golf club and he'd still be alive. (Darwin rocks!!)

(BTW I too have had unfair run-ins with the law when I was younger, I've managed to put it behind me.)

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree with our life philosophies and attitudes.

[idleidolidyll]

And the broken windows man? In the same circumstances I'd have done the same without batting an eye, - all the loser had to do was drop his golf club and he'd still be alive. (Darwin rocks!!)

"drop the golf club or we'll kill you for breaking windows", and you defend that?!

we'll never see eye to eye, the closer our coppers get to yank coppers, the worse they behave

[avgas]

"drop the golf club or we'll kill you for breaking windows", and you defend that?!

we'll never see eye to eye, the closer our coppers get to yank coppers, the worse they behave

Hell yes - break my windows and stay armed your asking for a killing.
I believe Darwin was onto something.

[Toaster]

[QUOTE=scumdog;966934]QUOTE]

Mate I completely agree. I was one of the guys interested in joining. I couldn't believe the stupid reaction from on high - typical of non-bikers to be so stupid. I did a fair bit of background reading - that was all they had to do and would have realised there was nothing to fear. Bloody P.C. brigade gone mad again.

[scumdog]

"drop the golf club or we'll kill you for breaking windows", and you defend that?!

we'll never see eye to eye, the closer our coppers get to yank coppers, the worse they behave

The end result was nothing to do with the breaking of the windows so stop trolling.

Even if he had not broken ANY windows his actions in the last few seconds before he was shot was enough to earn him a bullet.

But the topic has been done to death and the 'the cop should have/could have/suppose to have' crowd will whine on for eternity, reliving something they need to get behind them.

[idleidolidyll]

opinions are like coppers......................