Incentives for fuel efficient vehicles?

[sunhuntin]

i dont understand it, myself. im just grateful the customers so far have realised we the jockey cant do anything about it! LOL.

myself, i only ride the bike...cant drive and dislike bicycles [1 puncture a day is the norm for me!] cost me $12 to fill the gn the other week. from reserve that was nearly emptied. that $12 got me around 800-odd k, going by the trip meter. went out of town so topped her up and got $9 in her. im going to run her back to fumes and then reset the trip meter and do an accurate assessment.

can bikes be fitted with LPG? its cheaper even than diesel and seems quite popular....most of the cop cars take both LPG and 91.

[Bonez]

Totally agree. It's one of the reasons that, after selling my car to help finance the Beemer I decided not to bother buying a replacement car... because it's a hell of a lot cheaper just running the bike.

All depends on what bike and car you are comparing...............

[VFR400R]

So were would this leave all the olderly who only have old cars (no savings) and if they have to pay more for them to be on the road = no money for food = no need for the car to go and get food....so they want the old people to die just like the old cars?

How does this work if a older vehicle is fitted with a modern more efficient engine, this would be even more efficient than a newer car of the same size due to the weight difference. New cars have airbags, electric mirrors/windows, AC, power steering etc all adding weight and loading the engines. So in this case a new engine in a older would be better right = less tax, I bet it will not work this way. (can you tell I own a few older cars )

I am with the user pays system we currently have, more petrol used more GST, Fuel Tax etc. And what about those of us that have more than one vehicle anyway - we can't drive/ride them all at the same time will they do a shared rego?

[steved]

everyone should have heard of bio-diesel by now, well what about brewing up some ethanol? I think it has an octane rating around 120. you could probably get a 15:1 compression ratio with it!

This report came out about 15 months ago. Have a read.

http://www.med.govt.nz/ers/oil_pet/b...report-04.html

[Brian d marge]

My Enfield will run on Ethanol, I posted the plans for a still that will produce a good supply of juice...The only problems I could see was getting the Raw material
Also the Enfield was designed in the 30s when you tied a oily rag to a stick and held it in front of the bike ,,,

The thing that I worry about is , there is probably a hidden law tucked away somewhere that says ...A person may not have fun while living

or thou shalt not distill any stuff in your back garden you cheap basket . or well have you son !

Stephen

Bring on the fuel crisis I am ready for you ,,

[Nicksta]

i vote for a user pays... you drive a gas guzzler.... you pay more as you use more gas (included in price per litre)... although i think they wont impose higher registration costs for older cars as the politicians would never pay more to have their classic convertables on the roads on sundays...

[James Deuce]

can bikes be fitted with LPG? its cheaper even than diesel and seems quite popular....most of the cop cars take both LPG and 91.

They could, but I'd rather stick with the unpressurised accelerant between my legs than replacing it with a pressurised bomb.

[Drew]

Ok. The tax system on fuel is already set, so the more you use, the more tax you pay. Just about eighty percent of fuel price is tax!
It,s just the greens trying to grab headlines. Dont worry about it.
And if it looks like the idiots in parliament are going to take it seriously, they will have a cunt of a time getting down the steps of the beehive with a few hundred hotrodders park on the footpath.
It wont happen if we dont let it. Shit, I'll organise a protest. Every biker we can scroung up holding signs saying if big cars pay more, we pay less.
We might just be the little guys, but there's a fuck load of us.

[Buster]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3550481a10,00.html

So does this mean the rego on bikes is going to drop?

Yeah Right. They'll probably just raise it for anything bigger than a 2.0 - Rocket 3 owners beware!

Cheers
Clint

Whatever benefits a motorcycle has it will always be out weighed by the bloody stupid ACC levy.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Ok. The tax system on fuel is already set, so the more you use, the more tax you pay. Just about eighty percent of fuel price is tax!
It,s just the greens trying to grab headlines. Dont worry about it.
And if it looks like the idiots in parliament are going to take it seriously, they will have a cunt of a time getting down the steps of the beehive with a few hundred hotrodders park on the footpath.
It wont happen if we dont let it. Shit, I'll organise a protest. Every biker we can scroung up holding signs saying if big cars pay more, we pay less.
We might just be the little guys, but there's a fuck load of us.

Fuck Yes!!

im sure 3000 bikes siting on the limiter out side the beehive wont go unnoticed.

i cant wait till the day we get a person in parliment that actually has a stright mind, and is in there to help us and not try to get more tax off of us!!

cheers, Glenn

[IronicCapers]

I agree with that the weight, engine capacity, fuel efficiency and environmental impact of a road going vehicle should be looked at in the sense that why not have almost stupid amounts that motorbikers have to pay i.e. road user chargers. MAyb private companies can jump on and introduce systems where less tax is paid at the pump where the actual vehicle is noted and charged the correct amount of tax. That mayb a little complicated to instigate but think outside the box. Although new zealand is so trapped in its beaurucracy so it would take a long while not to mention the enormous expense that mayb undertaken by the private companies.

[Shadows]

Another point that fuckwit Fitzsimons and her cronies do not seem to have taken into account in their drive to force us all to indulge in their ideal of '"environmentally sensible" cars' by adopting European standards, is the actual petrol involved. In Ireland, before I came over here, standard petrol was 96 Octane (as opposed to 91 over here) and Premium was 98 (as opposed to 95). Any engineers out there feel free to correct me, but I was always taught, the higher the Octane rating, the cleaner the burn. I was also taught that the higher Octane rating you had, the higher compression ratio you can run, which means more efficient burning, which means less fuel is needed per equivalent power output, which means less fuel is consumed, therefore higher fuel efficiency. However, Mss Fitzsimons seems to have ignored this line of thought, that would ultimately do a lot more in the long term to achieve her preported goals of '"environmentally sensible" cars', and focussed solely on engine size.

Thats what I understood too. Remember her and her cronies like Nacho Tandoori or whatever his name is are just stupid hippies and don't actually know anything. They just recite things they think that people have said to them the night before. Or was that a dream?

[Shadows]

Ok. The tax system on fuel is already set, so the more you use, the more tax you pay. Just about eighty percent of fuel price is tax!
It,s just the greens trying to grab headlines. Dont worry about it.
And if it looks like the idiots in parliament are going to take it seriously, they will have a cunt of a time getting down the steps of the beehive with a few hundred hotrodders park on the footpath.
It wont happen if we dont let it. Shit, I'll organise a protest. Every biker we can scroung up holding signs saying if big cars pay more, we pay less.
We might just be the little guys, but there's a fuck load of us.

Hell we could get a few bikes up the steps and through the doors I reckon. Call the date and I'm in! I'll bring some extra petrol and a lighter.

[Flatcap]

There is no way this Communist government is ever going to offer incentives for anything except going on welfare. They will only apply extra taxes.

End result - riding a motorcycle will never become cheaper, driving a car will become more expensive