is it possible to......

[Wolf]

i see what you mean. but then its possible that many things existing in our universe are of more than 4 dimensions but seeing as we are unable to comprehend this we dont notice? perhaps this is how all this supernaturaul/pehenomena type stuff occurs

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[Ixion]

so what about our 4d world is there any possibility we would discover any more dimensions?

Well, scientists have "discovered" more dimensions mathematically, and perhaps in sub-nuclear physics experiments.

[Maha]

Went to ( what i thought was) an english exam, turned out it was a maths exam but once i was in they wouldnt let me out. The 1st question was ' Calculate the compound interest of a parabolic triangle and divide it by the time it takes two men to mow a field of three acres' didnt see the answer jumping out at me so i wrote an essay on what i did in the holidays. Got 36% which suprised me cos in i wrote the same essay in the english exam and got 28%... the topic of anti matter and little wee tiny things came a year later but i had left by then to get a job to get some money to by a bike

[Ixion]

and it would appear to take no time at all to do so as they lack that dimension as well...

This is an important point: Since there is no time dimension, each "iteration" of the "circle" would appear at the same time. So it would not be a circle that got bigger and smaller- it would be just a TWO dimensional "filled in" circle that was always there (and always had been - remember no time goes both ways). So the flat landers would not be able to percieve it all.

Interesting that we always think "two dimensions - length and breadth" - In fact what is really meant is three dimensions - time, length, breadth. Two would be time and lengthg - our Stringlanders.

[Wolf]

Interesting that we always think "two dimensions - length and breadth" - In fact what is really meant is three dimensions - time, length, breadth. Two would be time and lengthg - our Stringlanders.

Time always has to be one of the dimensions in order for us to comprehend and for it to have "existence" in any way that we perceive it.

I wonder if it is even possible for an object or a set of dimensions - ours or antone else's - to not have the time dimension.

[Ixion]

Time always has to be one of the dimensions in order for us to comprehend and for it to have "existence" in any way that we perceive it.

I wonder if it is even possible for an object or a set of dimensions - ours or antone else's - to not have the time dimension.

I think so , remember time is really "lapsed time" - so a "everything frozen in a perpetual now" would be timeless .

[bigbadwolf]

I wonder if it is even possible for an object or a set of dimensions - ours or antone else's - to not have the time dimension

There's always the possibility of a dimension that is completely different from time, yet gives a similar effect? I guess we'll never know...

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Oh, you mean the belief that magic can affect technological processes as well as natural processes? I don't know about you but saying that certain things happen because of magic would make life a hell of a lot easier to understand!!!

[ducatilover]

now im getting kinda confused.
i dont belive in all those god thingys but prefer to believe in joe satriani as my god. and maybe rossi would be a demigod. but this science shit is fucken awesome as it is reality or theorised reality

[Wolf]

I think so , remember time is really "lapsed time" - so a "everything frozen in a perpetual now" would be timeless .

In which nothing could happen - to move requires you to cover a physical distance in an elapsed time - time is one of the defining components of acceleration/deceleration and velocity. Events need "time" in which to happen and time for cause to follow effect.

A frozen "now" would have no "past" in which things happened and no "future" filled with change - a constant eternal sameness - not even atomic- or quantum-level movement or state changes could occur, for in order for change to occur there has to have been a past in which things were different. Alternatively, everything would have to simultaneously exist everywhere in that "universe" as all possible past, present and future iterations of all movement (right down to sub-atomic level and quantum states) co-exists - that filled in circle again but everywhere all at once.

2 Points: two objects cannot occupy the same physical space at the same time and if everything did somehow simultaneously occupy everywhere, again movement would be impossible even at subatomic level (nowhere to move to, already there anyway) and quantum states could not change as the quanta are already simultaneously all states - nothing happens, no change, back to square one.

Time - or some other dimension with similar properties (thanks, bigbadwolf) - needs to exist or be perceived in order to literally "get things moving".

[Wolf]

There's always the possibility of a dimension that is completely different from time, yet gives a similar effect? I guess we'll never know...

And if it has the same effect, we might as well call it "time" and if it has interesting features that our time dimension hasn't got we can put really cool prefixes on it like "meta" or "hyper" (if a "poorer relation" we could go for "quasi" or "pseudo").

As they say in multiverse 307: "Meta-time flies when you're having g'blurgit!"

Oh, you mean the belief that magic can affect technological processes as well as natural processes? I don't know about you but saying that certain things happen because of magic would make life a hell of a lot easier to understand!!!

Well, when it comes down to it, "solid" matter isn't and it is well known that energy fields can and do affect other energy fields so "mind" (a measurable energy) affecting "matter" (basically just different flavours of energy holding each other together) is quite conceivable.

My (albeit sketchy) grasp of quantum theory, subatomic "particles", chaos theory and such lead me to believe that even if there were no gods and/or goddesses, a sufficiently practised human could affect the world around him/her with the power of the mind and/or manipulating other forms of energy (light and sound being two easily-controlled energy sources to work with) - the practitioner wouldn't even need to understand the "science" to make it work, any more than early alchemists needed to know the complex chemical reactions in refining phosphorus - experimentation and taking note of what works would be sufficient. Who is to say that a tribe of Native Americans dancing around a fire and chanting can't cause it to rain when theoretically a butterfly flapping it's wings in London could set off a chain of events that causes a hurricane in Florida - but whereas the butterfly is random, the tribe is focussed; minds working together to poke and prod the relevant particles, sound vibrations in tried and tested patterns...

Who knows.