Police attitude

[Grahameeboy]

Ps. - If you don't like it, do what the rest of us do - get another job.

I agree there are bad apples in the Police.....like everywhere else......the gooduns are just doing their job and yes they may have targets...set by their bosses just like a lot of us have to do in our own jobs.......it is silly that the Govt allows us to buy Gixxers that can exceed speed limit by almost 300% and then have speed limits but that ain't the fault of the Police....I suspect many think the law is flakey but, like us, they have a job description and annual appraisals.

You and I can move jobs easier as we will just move to another company in the same industry but I guess when you have joined the Police at 17 it must be harder to move.....and not just into Securiy...than it is for us.

I have only meet one cop who was a No 1 Tosser.....how many tossers do you work with or have met.......??

Sorry to side with Cops here..........yeah I know I am a slag..

[SPman]

Sorry to side with Cops here..........yeah I know I am a slag..

Don't think its an issue of siding with anyone. People are just venting their frustrations with a system that seems to have become seriously flawed in the eyes of the public, regardless of the exertions, good, bad or otherwise of the individual members!
And whats up with the "fly on the wall" beef. Always thought that was a metaphor for seeing what someone else is doing.....or am I just thick, today.

[RantyDave]

the NZ Police ... allow a black market in stolen goods to become a significant black economy

Abso-fucking-lutely they do. The black market for poached Paua is now larger than the legitimate one. This is a problem on three fronts:

* Legitimate (and licensed) Paua fishermen are finding it damn hard to make a living.
* Paua are in very great danger of becoming extinct all together.
* Besides, it means that a ten (or so) times a year half a dozen dodgy bastards park up outside my house and break the law for a few hours.

And *I'm* supposed to stop them? Sure. One weedy pommie computer geek versus six huge and probably gang connected paua poachers? Besides, they know where I live (it's on my doorstep, remember) and I have a partner and daughter to think about.

It's not exactly a hard crime to catch either. It takes hours, it's a complete give away that it's happening and there's a road that leads right from the cop shop to the scene of the crime. Have I seen anyone caught in the last ... ummm .... five years? Nope.

On the plus side the problem is getting less as word goes around about which parts of the coast have been overfished. Great.

Dave

[Lou Girardin]

As far as I can tell dynamytus50 sounds half way decent (maybe he's too new to have developed much arrogance) so I don't see the point in personally abusing him.
On the other hand, the cops have brought public odium on themselves. At least several of the UK forces have realised that the loss in public support is not worth being a tax source for the Govt and have pulled the plug on the "fine 'em at all costs" strategy.
Perhaps the Police Association should collectively grow some balls and start publicly disputing the crap that spouts from their bosses and LTNZ.

[Grahameeboy]

Don't think its an issue of siding with anyone. People are just venting their frustrations with a system that seems to have become seriously flawed in the eyes of the public, regardless of the exertions, good, bad or otherwise of the individual members!
And whats up with the "fly on the wall" beef. Always thought that was a metaphor for seeing what someone else is doing.....or am I just thick, today.

I was just really dealing with Wendigo's comment.

I agree that it is all about Perception but I guess any system that has a more direct impact on the public is always gonna be flawed but I guess what I am saying is that we should not slag off the Police when in the main they are just trying to do a job which involves politics.

People moan about the Health System, no beds, slow care, waiting lists, slow Ambos etc but they don't slag off the Nurses and Ambos so should we be slagging off the Police when they are in the same boat but just out there more so open to criticism......turn it another way, our frustrations may not be helping Police attitudes........guess it is human nature, you have a work colleague who pisses you off so you are likely to get pissed of with them.

What me fly on the wall....swat swat......

Surprise surprise I am from the UK and I am not whinging..

[Grahameeboy]

As far as I can tell dynamytus50 sounds half way decent (maybe he's too new to have developed much arrogance) so I don't see the point in personally abusing him.

You are a worry Lou.

On the other hand, the cops have brought public odium on themselves. At least several of the UK forces have realised that the loss in public support is not worth being a tax source for the Govt and have pulled the plug on the "fine 'em at all costs" strategy.
Perhaps the Police Association should collectively grow some balls and start publicly disputing the crap that spouts from their bosses and LTNZ.

The difference in the UK is that there are 40 or so different Police forces who have more control over their jurisdiction and are not lacky boys to DVLA (LTSA Equivalent) or the same school playground stuff that happens here in NZ. Some Forces do not have speed cameras plus with more than one Commissioner for Police I guess they do have more balls....safety in numbers and all that.....guess with only one Commissioner it must be hard to have balls.

[MikeL]

... a system that seems to have become seriously flawed in the eyes of the public...

It surprises me that in an age where image is everything and spin is everywhere, little is being done to correct a public perception of police performance that in any other organization would long since have had heads rolling and a major shake-up of PR. Where are the slick media messages with their silken voice-overs and fast-paced editing? Where are the strategically placed magazine advertisements, with their steel-jawed idealists gazing into the distance to remind us that the thin blue line is what saves us from barbarism and anarchy?

If you can't fix a flawed system (or at least one with serious imbalances and injustices), at least you should spend some money persuading people that your product is a lot better than it really is. Works everywhere else...

[MisterD]

At least several of the UK forces have realised that the loss in public support is not worth being a tax source for the Govt and have pulled the plug on the "fine 'em at all costs" strategy.

Just to elaborate on that, we had plain grey "GATSO" speed cameras everywhere, hidden behind trees and road signs, until finally Joe Public has had enough of the credibility gap between what they see with their eyes and what authority tries to tell them....now the cameras are painted fluro yellow, properly sited at accident blackspots, outside schools etc and marked in the AA motoring atlas. Voilá, instant public support for the whole exercise.

[Patrick]

How this thread has changed... someone bleating about his headlights blinding a funeral procession and getting warned about it, onto a bleat about Policing in general to speed enforcement.

B/C summed it up well on the high drama crap call, and your comeback is whinging over a $80 ticket...

Wow............. I am speechless.............

Looking for someone to blame? Can't control your bike perhaps?

Get a Vespa.........

[Grahameeboy]

Just to elaborate on that, we had plain grey "GATSO" speed cameras everywhere, hidden behind trees and road signs, until finally Joe Public has had enough of the credibility gap between what they see with their eyes and what authority tries to tell them....now the cameras are painted fluro yellow, properly sited at accident blackspots, outside schools etc and marked in the AA motoring atlas. Voilá, instant public support for the whole exercise.

I think that the Public in the UK are different to the Public here in NZ.........and the Govt are too cruisy

[wendigo]

I agree there are bad apples in the Police.....l

I'm not saying there are bad apples in the police - I'm saying the Police force, as it currently exists, is a pointless waste of space.

You and I can move jobs easier as we will just move to another company in the same industry but I guess when you have joined the Police at 17 it must be harder to move.....and not just into Securiy...than it is for us.

Changing jobs - getting a new job in the same industry.
Changing carreers - getting a new job in a new Industry.

Done both. If I can do it, anyone can do it. Requires a little thing called motivation. So fuck em.

[snuffles]

Obviously touched a raw nerve here, dont get me wrong, I think the police are well worth having.

Just asking whats wrong with being polite...............

[Grahameeboy]

I'm not saying there are bad apples in the police - I'm saying the Police force, as it currently exists, is a pointless waste of space.

Okay but a bit harsh.......so guess 111 is not in your phone book then for when you really need them.......sorry but that is a sad comment geezer...

Changing jobs - getting a new job in the same industry.
Changing carreers - getting a new job in a new Industry.

Done both. If I can do it, anyone can do it. Requires a little thing called motivation. So fuck em.

Not really true as we are all different and moving from the Police Force into the Public arena is a little different........not just a motivation thing.

[Grahameeboy]

Obviously touched a raw nerve here, dont get me wrong, I think the police are well worth having.

Just asking whats wrong with being polite...............

Agree geezer

[Slingshot]

Not really true as we are all different and moving from the Police Force into the Public arena is a little different........not just a motivation thing.

Cops could just Perf out and either never have to work again or have the cash to set up their on business.