Police attitude

[Indoo]

The 'higher' ups know too well and thats what they continually petition, the short staffing is ridiculous, most General duties staff at least in the Auckland area are doing at least an hours unpaid overtime a day. But hey the labour government has the solution in introducing 250 more community cops so that old Aunt lucys dispute with her neighbour about the trees can be resolved that much quicker!

At the end of the day though as in any organisation nowadays you have to be a political animal to rise to the top if you want the true story listen to what the Police association says, its often markedly different.

[vtec]

And lets not forget that vtec has still to explain to us dumber ones how an immediate response by police to the firearms burg would have had a better result than the two hour time it actually took to arrive at the scene. (I suppose it would have stopped the shop owner from running to the ever accurate media?)

Still, this is the one entertainment that is cheap, bring on more!

Dude, I stayed out of that argument. But I still can't believe you need someone to explain it to you. I'll do my best cause I understood what they were saying when that argument was going on. Didn't want to get into it, but here goes.

When the crims (bad guys) steal firearms, this means they are now armed and quite possibly dangerous. Now if you arrive at the scene 15 mins after the alarm is tripped, chances are they won't have gotten very far. If you wait for 2 hours, they could have emptied the whole shop and now be in possession of quite an arsenal, not to mention be long gone and already have committed a few armed robberies on their leisurely journey home, remember you gave them 2 hours. I would expect even your average frontline copper to understand the difference between 15 minutes and 2 hours.

[Indoo]

I think you missing the fact that it was a historic burg, it wasn't happening when the guy called it in it was already well over and had prolly been commited at least 4-5 hours before in the dead of night.

If the Police turn up 6 hours after the crime had happened or 8 hours it doesn't really make a hell of alot of difference.

What your talking about is an entirely different scenario in which I would agree with you, but thats not the case here and not even close to it.

[Indoo]

I think part of the problem (omg im speaking against the regime now, wru Lou!) is that traffic cops (and general duties even) are made to get a certain amount of tickets an hour, for a particular type of traffic policing ie speed/seatbelts etc to maintain a contact rate which warnings aren't counted for.

Police shouldn't be treated like a private corporation in which targets need to be met and discretion ignored as a result. It leads to a result where protecting the public is no longer the primary aim but achieving performance targets is. A ticket for doing 70 in an industrial area where there is no real risk to safety is given the same merit and performance 'result' as a cop ticketing somebody for doing 70 past a school where that speed is clearly unsafe. At the moment theres no distinction between the two.

[vtec]

Well that was the impression that I got from reading what people had discussed in this thread about the situation. However I didn't know much about it, which is why I had neglected to post an opinion initially before being called upon by scumdog to do so. Still with firearms being looted, I still think its the sooner the better. You can do a lot of rampaging with an extra 2 hours.

Also had it "prolly" been committed 4-6 hours before hand, or had it 'actually' been committed 4-6hours before hand?

[Da Bird]

3 questions for you,

did you catch the guy?

and if all you cops that think you're understaffed have you brought it to attention higher up and if you have what have you been told?

in my experiance in the 2 times ive needed the cops they were quick to get here and were good blokes the 2 times i didnt need the cops but they needed me, one was a total loser and didn't know the first thing about being a country cop and eventually left town (lasted about 5 monthes i think) and the other cop was an old friend luckily.

Yes the driver and the passenger were arrested.

The "higher ups" know all right, however you can only distribute the staff the government allocates you. In my opinion, the extra 1000 cops over 3 years will just be to catch up with what we actually need now. In 3 years time, we will probably need another 1000. In South Auckland, a high percentage of the time there are just no cars available for even priority 1 jobs. That includes traffic cars because half the time, the traffic cars are diverted to general duties jobs - a lot of people don't seem to realise that and the perception that traffic cars dont deal with other stuff is just plain wrong.

What on earth was your third question????

BC

[Dafe]

I think you missing the fact that it was a historic burg, it wasn't happening when the guy called it in it was already well over and had prolly been commited at least 4-5 hours before in the dead of night.

If the Police turn up 6 hours after the crime had happened or 8 hours it doesn't really make a hell of alot of difference.

What your talking about is an entirely different scenario in which I would agree with you, but thats not the case here and not even close to it.

Found a page out of the Idiom 101 guide.........

What insurance company would insure this guy if he did not have a monitored security alarm system?
The majority of shops in Wellington have alarm response companies that respond within seven minutes.
Many shops with items such as jewellery and firearms also run Smoke Cloak systems and have locked up goods designed to take a decent 10 minutes to access.
In my opinion, it sounds like the owner of this firearms shop had insufficient secuirty and should be nailed by his insurance company.
The owner of the shop has a responsibility to ensure that these weapons are not accessible during a break in.
Did he even have CCTV? This alone would have been a heavy deterrent. I think the owner may be about to find out how important the fine lines are in an insurance policy.

[Lou Girardin]

And lets not forget that vtec has still to explain to us dumber ones how an immediate response by police to the firearms burg would have had a better result than the two hour time it actually took to arrive at the scene.

Having not heard any of the details I'll have to guess;
The owner may have caught them on the premises.
He may have got car details and rego. It'd be easier to find them with minutes head start rather than hours.
BTW did they get the guy breaking into cars? I'd sure hope so seeing it was a higher priority job.

[R1madness]

hehehe a nice bit o thread hijacking. hehehehe

[Lou Girardin]

I think part of the problem (omg im speaking against the regime now, wru Lou!) is that traffic cops (and general duties even) are made to get a certain amount of tickets an hour, for a particular type of traffic policing ie speed/seatbelts etc to maintain a contact rate which warnings aren't counted for.

Police shouldn't be treated like a private corporation in which targets need to be met and discretion ignored as a result. It leads to a result where protecting the public is no longer the primary aim but achieving performance targets is. A ticket for doing 70 in an industrial area where there is no real risk to safety is given the same merit and performance 'result' as a cop ticketing somebody for doing 70 past a school where that speed is clearly unsafe. At the moment theres no distinction between the two.

Excellent Indoo. Now, if all you guys try this, and the Association does it publicly and often, you may see some changes. Now's the time, when Labour is politically vulnerable. Go get 'em.
In the meantime, I hear that there's a new shipment of low mileage import cops on order.

[The_Dover]

You got to remember that WINJA lives in the Waikato and drug dealing is seen as a respectable career option in that neck of the woods.

[scumdog]

Well that was the impression that I got from reading what people had discussed in this thread about the situation. However I didn't know much about it, which is why I had neglected to post an opinion initially before being called upon by scumdog to do so. Still with firearms being looted, I still think its the sooner the better. You can do a lot of rampaging with an extra 2 hours.

Also had it "prolly" been committed 4-6 hours before hand, or had it 'actually' been committed 4-6hours before hand?

The "newspaper" said (if you can believe them) quoted re the firearms burg "the owner reported the burglary when he discovered it when he arrived at work at just before 8am"
So I would have to GUESS that the burglars would be well gone by then.

[soundbeltfarm]

[QUOTE=soundbeltfarm]3 questions for you,

ist question did you catch the guy?

2nd question and if all you cops that think you're understaffed have you brought it to attention higher up

3rd question. and if you have what have you been told? (quote)

[judgeshock]

As always there is two sides to every story. Unfortunately most people tend to get on their high horse and believe everything the media says.

There has been some classic examples of the media only reporting their propaganda and yet everytime they say something we still believe it like a flock of sheep.

Maybe people should start threads abusing the media. Nothing is ever black and white. The sooner people wake up and realise this then we can challenge the media to report correct information.:spudwhat:

[roogazza]

As always there is two sides to every story. Unfortunately most people tend to get on their high horse and believe everything the media says.

There has been some classic examples of the media only reporting their propaganda and yet everytime they say something we still believe it like a flock of sheep.

Maybe people should start threads abusing the media. Nothing is ever black and white. The sooner people wake up and realise this then we can challenge the media to report correct information.:spudwhat:

I can remember being in the Watchhouse in the early seventies and the Evening post used to ring on nightshift looking for stories ! My answer was " nah , nothing happening all quiet " ! when in fact were were flat out ! lately I have stopped watching the news and when i do read a paper it's usually for the crosswords ! Don't encourage the bastards ! just wait for
Y-tangy day and see what I mean . G.