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    Quote Originally Posted by zrxer
    Terbangs employers are your buissiness because.....?
    Because he makes so much of an issue over what I happen to do for a job.

    "Like front line troops in a war they are not selected for intelligence or any sort of individual/origional thought and there are countless stories of police reverting to basic and primitive tribal type behaviour (thats the type they attract). Here we have the gang in blue being a bunch of guys of very average intelligence, elevated to a status far in excess of thier abilities (because of which side of the law they are on) and we expect discretion..Yeah Right"

    Apparently all the bikers on this site who happen to be cops are nothing more than illiterate thugs. It just made me curious given that I'm such a primate who has been through law school what esteemed position in society he holds that makes him qualified to judge people.

    I'm just wondering what puts him in that position is all.

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    Hi Girlie, welcome to the site by the way...see my reply #5...

    Write in and explain your situation as described. Request full disclosure, including the copy of the ticket, front and rear.
    Request information/copy of the phone call even but do it soon as they only hold them for a month.
    Request copy of officers notebook regarding this matter, if there are any notes...he should have noted your protests at the time if they are not on the ticket already. If not, Why???
    In your letter, advise that you asked for details of the offence (location etc) but he wouldn't tell ya. Why?
    Ask if the car/complaint is from another cop...(could have been CIB/Youth Aid and probably don't know how to write out tickets... )

    The later three points will mean the file will be sent to the cop himself as the Bureau does not have access to these points.

    I find it hard to see why they would write out a ticket on the spot without full information/offence location detail, checking out the scene themselves since it was nearby etc, unless you coughed to it at the time?

    Good luck. Does sound like shite tho...or perhaps this is just yet another cop bashing site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    No, it is not, though it is pretty dodgy. Consider: If you saw a man burgling a house, and flagged down a police car and said to them "The guy in that car driving away , there, just burgled this house. Stop him and arrest him." The cop (assuming he did indeed take off after the alleged burgler, and not call a taxi) would be relying on your uncorroborated word. Of course, he'd need you to give evidence in court, as would this case. The police must often proceed on the basis of eyewitness evidence.
    I intended "uncorroborated complaint" to have a somewhat different meaning from "eyewitness evidence". In the latter case presumably the police could independently confirm that an offence had been committed, i.e. by contacting the householder. In Girlie's case the question of whether an actual offence has been committed is, as you say, a matter of opinion. My point is that for justice to be done a court hearing is necessary in which the complainant's and the defendant's versions will be weighed up. Without independent witnesses the chances of a prosecution succeeding must be slim (provided the defendant has a lawyer who is not totally incompetent). Yet surely some people must be frightened into paying up through ignorance of their rights or deterred from pursuing the matter because of the costs involved?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrxer
    Terbangs employers are your buissiness because.....?
    probably as much business as what business it is yours that he asks that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoo
    Because he makes so much of an issue over what I happen to do for a job.

    "Like front line troops in a war they are not selected for intelligence or any sort of individual/origional thought and there are countless stories of police reverting to basic and primitive tribal type behaviour (thats the type they attract). Here we have the gang in blue being a bunch of guys of very average intelligence, elevated to a status far in excess of thier abilities (because of which side of the law they are on) and we expect discretion..Yeah Right"

    Apparently all the bikers on this site who happen to be cops are nothing more than illiterate thugs. It just made me curious given that I'm such a primate who has been through law school what esteemed position in society he holds that makes him qualified to judge people.

    I'm just wondering what puts him in that position is all.
    Knowing who his employer is wont help you with that Indoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty
    probably as much business as what business it is yours that he asks that question.
    Marty go find yourself another drunk that you can impress with your Ex-cop Status

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    I presume then that in such cases the full details of the informant are recorded and they are told that they may be required to give evidence in court?
    In a subsequent court case does the defendant have the right to know the name of the informant?
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    Tell them to piss off.
    Lou Girardin posted how he was stopped by a cop after a *555 call (couldn't find the post)
    Allegedly for passing on the left of the complianant's van.He said yes ... on a passing lane.
    Cop looks pissed off and says "he didn't tell us that"

    Ask for the proof.Don't pay up

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    A lot of us have got positive stories to tell about getting off fines in those kind of freak circumstances, such is life. Contend it in a letter firstly and you may get let off without having to spend heaps of time & $$ in court or whateva.

    And yes, inevitably i believe we will become a police state of sorts in NZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoo
    Nah prolly cos your so far from the truth.

    Btw which company do you fly for?
    I am a contractor (Globally) so its whoever pays the highest price.. Mainly Rich Arabs..

    Bottom line there Indoo I just don't like traffic police much at all and have little respect (need I really state it) for thier methods, its nothing personal there to a fellow biker .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed

    And yes, inevitably i believe we will become a police state of sorts in NZ.
    led by the dictatorship of aunty Helen. Democracy is slowly slipping away and who really cares?
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    Years ago had a complaint laid against me about the squeeling of tyres going around a corner on a double passing lane passing another car. got off that one as the complaint was, the squeeling of tyres, not the fact that the car was in a sideways drift at the time.
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    Looks like a good place to see who knows where you can get number plate hinges.
    Then problem may not exist.
    Preferably one that you can control up and down.... or even rotate then you could have a personalised message for someone P...ing you off behind

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    Quote Originally Posted by merv
    Where is Spud when we need him to explain this? I didn't think the cops gave out ticket based purely on *555 calls and before they even write to people I thought they expected the complainant to fill out a complaint form. That is other than taking a call and looking out for you and if you break the law in front of their eyes then they can do something.
    If there is a formal complaint coming from the informant then a ticket may well be issued. If the informant doesn't make a formal complaint or isn't willing to give evidence then the driver would probably just get pulled over and spoken to about the alleged incident with no further action to follow.

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