Going TOO fast

[Pathos]

Also need to be prepared to throw your weight over the over side too so the bike doesn't have to drag you over as well.

[The_Dover]

Okay,

Slow in, slightly less slow out.

Sweet?

[ZorsT]

when I'm halfway through a corner, its too late to enter the corner slow

[.produKt]

I didnt think it was possible to go too fast .... In a straight line anyway

[Sniper]

I didnt think it was possible to go too fast .... In a straight line anyway

Its a corner????? HTF would you go straight?

Good tips there guys. I have always found that getting my arse off the seat and just hoping the tyres held. I still ride like shit though

[.produKt]

Lol.... i know its a corner, but theres a straight before each :P

[beyond]

Ok, my humble wee comments.
My 1400 has a habit of grounding fairly early, though it's a fair way over before it does.

The rubber will hold okay and you will be suprised at how far you can lean a bike in good conditions and with good rubber before it lets go, as long as you don't upset it.

Any bike will pull 1 to 1.1 g's in a corner but you can't brake and corner TO THE LIMIT all in one go as you will overload the tyres. You can feather the front brake through a corner as long as you are not on the cornering limit for your tyres and bike.

I have found the only way to stop scraping through a corner when pushing hard on my 1400, is to hang off the bike. Your weight needs to be over the side, arse, head, shoulders and upper body as well. This allows your bike to keep upright more and gives you more margin for error. If you find you are still swinging wide, lean the bike more with you hanging off it.

By hanging off it, you change the centre of gravity and corner faster and harder than by staying in the seat and thereby minimise the chances of hard parts touching down.

I have had the centre stand and side stand foot and left peg down hard once and even on a heavy 1400, this has thrown the rear out. Disconcerting but it restabilised quickly which was good. On a lighter bike you will get thrown when the hard bits touch down hard. The rear will toss out and you will lowside, so get off the side and you will find it makes a huge difference.

[pritch]

[QUOTE=mikey]your just a little less slow coming out of corners. QUOTE]

Oh so cruel. Cruel but funny :-)

[DEMONFZR]

I have also found myself in the same situation, but on the road

When im out for a cruise on unfamiliar roads I have this nasty habit of not noting things like 55k corners, and when I hit them at 140ish I tend to shit myself a bit (actually I shit myself a lot)!! Doesnt matter if its a lefty or righty, either way im in trouble, either the wrong lane or in the dirt on the side of the road.

I have never actually practised what to do in this situation, I just tend to button off and lean real hard, and thankfully ive managed to make it on the few occasions I have done this. Its not so bad when you know its a sharp one coming, its those long tight corners that catch me out.....I no its not quite the same as being on a track trying to save time or whatever, but il be taking onboard the advice you guys have posted.

cheers

[texmo]

You can only go around a corner so fast.

[Ixion]

Not so. You can also go round them too fast. Or, strictly speaking, I suppose go round most of the corner.

[beyond]

Not so. You can also go round them too fast. Or, strictly speaking, I suppose go round most of the corner.

I like that. Exactly what happens when you are too fast. Getting around most of the corner is a real worry.

1 to 1.1g of lateral force is all a bike will handle. Now this includes rider weight, the weight of the bike etc etc. Once the tyres have reached that maximum G force, you don't complete the corner.

Notice how in Moto GP some riders get around a corner just fine and another one shoots off, highsides or lowsides. Sure the bikes are setup different but weight is a huge factor. Look at the riders. They would all have been jockeys.

So, if you push the envelope that little bit too much, you ain't going to complete the corner.

Some things you can do in this scenario:
1. If there is a little bit of room to play with, straighten momentarily and apply front brake, hard but safely to get speed down and dip into it again.
2. If there is no room and the arse or front is about to give way and you know you aren't going to hold it (you'll know) it's better to lowside than it is to high side. By trying to regain control, you run the risk of high siding, which means you hit the ground a lot harder Then the bike can roll, bounce and sometimes land on top of you. Ouch.
3. If you do manage to regain control momentarily, but still find there is no way to make the corner, straighten and aim for the nicest, softest looking spot you can see, while applying maximum braking force without full lock up.
Once in the gravel, full lock up doesn't matter. as the bunching of gravel in front of the tyres will slow you quicker anyway, as long as you don't wash out the front.

BUT, better not that you get into this situation in the 1st place.

[FROSTY:Me]

or of course you could be hung off peg on the deck fully coomitted and have the front tyre go bye bye on ya

[XP@]

A few months ago I was scraping pegs and scrubbing off my chicken strips with ease.

Then I was told to lean in to the corner not out of the corner... doh, i knew this but wasn't doing it. So in a right hander my head is now over my right hand and the opposite in a lefty.

Now, maintaining the same speed (or even a tad faster) as before I am cornering without anything touching and I still have some of the furry bits on the edges of my tyres. Given the change to riding style I appear to have a lot more avalible grip for any given corner. And on the occasions where I have come in too hot there has been well enough grip to cope. My suspension set-up on the other hand really did not coped too well with the added speed, making the bike more like a pogo stick on occasion, have fixed it now :-)

[buellbabe]

...I have this nasty habit of not noting things like 55k corners, and when I hit them at 140ish I tend to shit myself a bit (actually I shit myself a lot)!!

There is a 45km corner on the way to Mangawai that has a big sign preceeding it that says something like 'SLOW DOWN NOW'... I took no notice of it cos the previous 45's had been easy-peesy... well I found myself on the other side of the road and thought 'hmmm... guess I should have slowed down!!!' Shit happens!
Re: this hairpin on the track... I agree with what others have said and will just add this, are ya looking thru the bend or into the apex of the corner? Yr line will improve if you're looking thru...