$400 fine for no "L" plate

**Drunken Monkey** · 16th February 2006, 11:20

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

Water cooler gossip is so reliable huh??

Hell yes, Muhnochwa lives I say!
Stone him! Stone him!
Yay! We killed the beast!
Oh dear, it was my good neighbour Sanjay...

**Charlie** · 16th February 2006, 11:37

Originally Posted by *sic

... attach a corner (ie break off a corner of the yellow L plate) and attach it... ...

I've heard that 100 times. As I'm sure have the cops. They may frustrate you but they are not thick!

**Crazy Steve** · 16th February 2006, 11:46

[QUOTE=knee_scraper] I don't know how a cop has the heart to give a young guy who's a student on a part time job $400 for no "L" plate. I said to him, "I tried sticking it on with tap but it kept falling off". "Well screw it onto your number plate" he said.

Sounds-like-a-$400-Screw

Crazy-Steve.

**SPORK** · 16th February 2006, 12:05

When I'm driving after 10pm (with full license holder in the side seat) I take the L-plates off. And since it's dark they can't see what I look like. My driving's good enough so that they don't go "wtf is that prat doing? Must be drunk! Arrest time!"

Yeah, I'm a rebel. Never been pulled up yeah.

**FlyingDutchMan** · 16th February 2006, 12:13

I got stung once for warrent 9 days over and no L-plate. $600. At the time I was a poor student, so I got a warrent, bought an L plate, sent in the receipts + WOF details and a sob story saying the old L plate had fallen off (it actually had - in my driveway though), and that doing $400 worth of speeding was far more dangerous than not having an L plate. They let off on both counts. I even wrote the letter out on refill to show how poor I was.

**MacD** · 16th February 2006, 12:30

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yet it is more heavily amerced than the former.

Oh, my new word for today! Thanks

**Edbear** · 16th February 2006, 12:34

Magic Fairy and Ixion spoke well, here, worth a try. Bit harsh to refer to the plates as "Loser Plates" though, Dixie, everyone has to start somewhere and these youngsters need all the encouragement we can give them. I personally give extra consideration to a biker on his learners, as it's a real jungle out there as we all well know! I never agreed with the 70k/mh limit for learners on the open road, (couldn't believe it when I learned about it!) it's a dangerous law and can only cause disruption and fear. We should all be lobbying for a law change if we don't agree, and I see no reason not to let Andy K know of our reasons for wanting a change. Write to your local MP, too. I think there are also some biker Polititions on our roads? Any know about this forum? PLease never try to do a runner, mate, esp. on a 250! It can only end in tears! I do think $400 is way too tough for the offence, though and I'm sure in your case a warning would have sufficed.

**scumdog** · 16th February 2006, 12:41

Originally Posted by SimJen

because to quote a million other posts on here cops use their "discretion" when giving tickets......so they often aren't fully complying with the law either.
How could you justify a $400 ticket for something so minor, yes its the law but come on. A missing L plate is not going to kill someone!!!!
unlike a speeding semitrailer with a full load. Their attentions need to be focused on the real issues.....not just revenue gathering excersises.

Nobody has to 'justify' the fine - that is what it IS! it wasn't made up by the cop, the man KNEW if he was pinged that's what the fine would be.

And how many times do you expect somebody to be let off due to discretion?? Once? a hundred times???

Revenue gathering? - he GAVE it away, after all, it was so easily avoided eh?

**scumdog** · 16th February 2006, 12:45

Originally Posted by CaN

Let me answer that question with a question.

But beyond that even, The police should ignore a stupid and or unjust or immoral law. ?

Under who's eyes would the be stupid, unjust or immoral?

The tinny-house man probably sees the drug laws as stupid and unjust.

**scumdog** · 16th February 2006, 12:50

Originally Posted by Lazy7

wow. $400??? for no L plate.

you sure you weren't riding a Hyabusa on your learners?

did it have a rego and warrant???

i would have thought the no L plate fine would have been around $50???

how can they find you $400 for no L plate but only $200 for no rego???

You better scramble to get your fine knowledge up to speed or you're going to get some nasty shocks sunshine.

i.e. Used a Vehicle to Cause Annoyance to any Person or Damage to any Road? - $600.

**RantyDave** · 16th February 2006, 12:54

Originally Posted by knee_scraper

Maybe just try and cool me down, I feel fired up =(

Yeah, just that. I got (fairly majorly) pinged for speeding and frothed about it for a goodly long while. Finally got over it when I went back to where I was done and realised that if I didn't see a copper coming *there*, I deserved to be fined for not paying enough attention and looking at the ground in front of my bike instead of damn nearly everywhere.

I'm over it now, and you'll get over it too. Do try writing the letter though.

Dave

**scumdog** · 16th February 2006, 12:56

Originally Posted by CaN

Just doing their job.
F%^K I hate that excuse!!!
I understand that came up a lot at the Nurenburg tirals too.
I mean hey if it's your job you got to do it right?
It's your job, you can't possibly change it can you?
You can't possibly use any discression, after all it's your job.
Well get another f&*ken job useless bastard!

It's like "company policy", how may times do you get hit with that one? The ultimate defences Company policy and just doing my job.
both of which usually elict a severe and unpleasent response from me.

They are just euphemisms for
"I'm a fuckwit who can't possibly think for myself"

Haven't seen a tanty like that for a long time.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**spudchucka** · 16th February 2006, 12:58

Originally Posted by CaN

In this instance a $400.00 fine for no L plate is an over reaction. A warning such as "next time I see you without an L plate you have got a $400.00 fine" would have achieved the same end would it not?

Depends how many "warnings" they have had previously. Also there have been a number of studies, (don't ask me to quote them because I don't have those details but I know they exist), that have shown that warnings have little or no long term effect as a deterent against traffic offences.

Personally I think the $400 fine for licence breaches is over the top and I only ever dish them out to those most deserving "special" people.

When I see a motor cyclist displaying an L plate the first thing that I think of is, "good, there's a biker who is abiding by the rules", and I won't even think about stoping them unless they are breaking some other law that brings them to my attention first.

**naughtygirl** · 16th February 2006, 12:59

Bugger, Dam cops. Sumtime its great been a girl, ya can get away with sum stuff (i ran a stop and was speeding, he pulled me over, i was crying so he let me off and told me to go home

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