Letter to Trade Me

**Badcat** · 20th February 2006, 10:16

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Can't find anything important to get worked up about?

so bored you have to clumsily pour scorn on someone else's efforts to make motorcycling safer dave?

**knuckles** · 20th February 2006, 10:41

fuuly tested every 6 months,must be dayglo orange,were talking safety here right?

**mattt** · 20th February 2006, 10:45

Originally Posted by Badcat

so bored you have to clumsily pour scorn on someone else's efforts to make motorcycling safer dave?

Motorcycling & Safer? I'm sorry but these 2 words don't go together in the same sentence.

I think the best way to improve motorcycle safety is to have 2 such machines bolted together side by side for increased stability and cover the whole "machine" with reinforced metal and add safety belts and airbags.... I shall name my new invention the "cage"

**Finn** · 20th February 2006, 10:55

Ah come on. Trademe shouldn't be responsible for what people sell, besides it would be too difficult to monitor. What's next, no porn either? Shit, bikes are dangerous too, let's ban them.

Can't do this, ban that, control this, stop that, censor this, outlaw that, tax this, fuck that. You could get a job in the Labour party.

**Big Dave** · 20th February 2006, 11:11

Originally Posted by Badcat

so bored you have to clumsily pour scorn on someone else's efforts to make motorcycling safer dave?

'Clumsily'? - you should invest in a Thesaurus.

adds:
I pointed out in very few words that IMHO there are more important 'political' issues that the young lady could address.
Also - I've also sold helmets that were in good order before - just surplus to my requirement and object to anyone hindering any future transactions.

Clumsy - i can juggle 4 items and catch and pass exceptionally well for a big man.

**Ixion** · 20th February 2006, 11:34

Is there any reason to suppose that any of the helmets advertised are in fact defective - and if so, what percentage. And what percentage of those would show no sign of such damage? I would suggest we are talking a very small percentage of a very small percentage.

I see no reason to ban a legitimate trade because of a hypothetical situation affecting a very small number of instances. To be logical you should also ban the sale of all gear - jackets boots etc can also be damaged in a bin and be less effective in a subsequent crash. And ban the sale of bikes . How can you be sure that the bike being sold does not have invisible damage caused by some unknown previous incident?

I agree with Mr Finn. Far too many calls these days to ban everything under the sun.

**Big Dave** · 20th February 2006, 11:44

After considering this discussion - I've started a new thread in general, titled bronz. please comment.

**chris** · 20th February 2006, 13:13

Originally Posted by placidfemme

New and young bikers, without experience or knowledge may be lead to believe that using second helmets is perfectly fine and safe. This is false advertising and cleary dangerous.

I'm with Dave on this. I could sell you a second hand helmet that I know has never suffered a drop or damage of any sort.

False advertising is another issue. Do any of the ads state that you will not suffer any head injuries whilst wearing the helmet in question?

Whilst it is still possible for Dave to sell me a second hand helmet, you cannot force Trade Me to refuse ads for the same.

**Badcat** · 20th February 2006, 13:26

Originally Posted by Big Dave

'Clumsily'? - you should invest in a Thesaurus.

adds:
I pointed out in very few words that IMHO there are more important 'political' issues that the young lady could address.
Also - I've also sold helmets that were in good order before - just surplus to my requirement and object to anyone hindering any future transactions.

Clumsy - i can juggle 4 items and catch and pass exceptionally well for a big man.

ooh - have a struck a nerve, big guy?
her post was well meant and you were a condescending tool.
agree with her or not, she didn't deserve that patronising reply.
that was my point, but feel free to call me a fool now if it makes you feel superior.

**XTC** · 20th February 2006, 14:43

It's illegal to sell used helmets in Australia (i've heard). It's not illegal here. So she should possibly write to parliament instead and get us yet another law that restricts our freedom of choice?

**Big Dave** · 20th February 2006, 14:53

Originally Posted by Badcat

ooh - have a struck a nerve, big guy?
her post was well meant and you were a condescending tool.
agree with her or not, she didn't deserve that patronising reply.
that was my point, but feel free to call me a fool now if it makes you feel superior.

what - nerve?
fwiw I reckon you are a bit of a tool too.
have a nice life.

**marty** · 20th February 2006, 15:06

Originally Posted by Finn

Ah come on. Trademe shouldn't be responsible for what people sell, besides it would be too difficult to monitor. What's next, no porn either? Shit, bikes are dangerous too, let's ban them.

Can't do this, ban that, control this, stop that, censor this, outlaw that, tax this, fuck that. You could get a job in the Labour party.

trademe is already well covered. threy're pushing the soft smelly stuff against gravity with a very sharp stick....

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**placidfemme** · 20th February 2006, 15:07

Oh well like I said, this thread would probably piss a few people off (Just like when I offered to give away my helmet that had been worn only twice because it was too big, never dropped and always stored in a box with padding, and yet I got a lot of "don't do that" & "it's dangerous" and all that carry on... now that I'm suggesting to try to make a change and promote safety people are jumping on the "taking away our freedom" bandwagon). However, I still believe that it is unsafe, exspecially for newbies.

Even if the ad does state "second hand" or "been dropped", or has scuff marks on it, a newbie just getting into biking won't usually know that affects the strength and purpose of the helmet... and given that newbies have a higher chance of having an accident, it is important that these arn't given to them as options.