Are you a New Zealander?

[Mooch]

You've got it all wrong , you can only be a New Zealander when you live overseas. New Zealand is the only country where you can't be a New Zealander.
Your Ethninicity as a New Zealander is actually valid overseas. Just not in NZ.

Nationality = Pride / reality
Ethninicty = HR term.

[Hitcher]

Anyway, the official position from Statistics New Zealand is they don't care what you state as your ethnicity. You can even tick more than one box if you like. They don't care. Getting everybody to complete and returns the Census forms is their primary objective. If a bit of lively debate about ethnicity assists this process, that is just dandy with Statistics New Zealand.

[Flatcap]

Anyway, the official position from Statistics New Zealand is they don't care what you state as your ethnicity. You can even tick more than one box if you like. They don't care. Getting everybody to complete and returns the Census forms is their primary objective. If a bit of lively debate about ethnicity assists this process, that is just dandy with Statistics New Zealand.

I agree - they mustn't care cause if they really wanted to know how many sausages needed to be made in the future they would have "NZ German", the likelihood of surrender if we were ever invaded "NZ French", the amount of complaints to government departments "NZ English" and so on...

[Big Dave]

Whilst I'm happy to be Other/Australian anywhere - I think it is deplorable that you can't be a New Zealander here. Even on the visa forms.

The worst example of namby pamby PC bullshit I can cite.

[Biff]

Let's play state the freaking obvious shall we?

You are a New Zealand - European if your ancestors were European. Fact. So face it. Tick the freakin box FFS.

Your family's history didn't begin when they first stepped foot on these shores, irrespective of your ethnicity. Your family's lineagae goes back a long, long way. And when exactly do you stop admitting your heritage if your whining about there not being a New Zealander only box? 1, 2 generations?

I'd like to be able to look back in 20 years time and find a reliable statistic telling me how many European/Asian/Maori/Indian/Klingon descendants lived here in 2006, and compare it to modern day stats. .

Quit whining, it could be worse. I’ve got fking French blood in me. Thankfully my great, great, great gran had some taste. Despite being a Frog - she let a Welshman pork her.

Be proud to be a New Zealander – and be proud of your family’s history say I.

[oldrider]

Let's play state the freaking obvious shall we?

You are a New Zealand - European if your ancestors were European. Fact. So face it. Tick the freakin box FFS.

Your family's history didn't begin when they first stepped foot on these shores, irrespective of your ethnicity. Your family's lineagae goes back a long, long way. And when exactly do you stop admitting your heritage if your whining about there not being a New Zealander only box? 1, 2 generations?

I'd like to be able to look back in 20 years time and find a reliable statistic telling me how many European/Asian/Maori/Indian/Klingon descendants lived here in 2006, and compare it to modern day stats. .

Quit whining, it could be worse. I’ve got fking French blood in me. Thankfully my great, great, great gran had some taste. Despite being a Frog - she let a Welshman pork her.

Be proud to be a New Zealander – and be proud of your family’s history say I.

Hey Biff, congrats on the wedding! As for all the info on enthnicity/family origins/etc they should have all those statistics in immigration etc when people enter the country. Other than that all offspring borne here are New Zealanders. Thats what I am and thats what I will be putting down. This will be sending them a message also because there are too many Gov't papers that have this devisive shit on them. Thats my message. Cheers John.
PS:One of them froggies did that to my "Welsh" linage too, the bastards must have rabbit blood in their veins.

[Ixion]

Let's play state the freaking obvious shall we?

You are a New Zealand - European if your ancestors were European. Fact. So face it. Tick the freakin box FFS.

Your family's history didn't begin when they first stepped foot on these shores, irrespective of your ethnicity. Your family's lineagae goes back a long, long way. And when exactly do you stop admitting your heritage if your whining about there not being a New Zealander only box? 1, 2 generations?

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So what if your ancestors were Spanish. And English . And Maori. And North American. And Scots. And German. And Punjabi.

And you have to go back 7 generations and 200 odd years to NOT be a New Zealander.

Only two of that lot indisputably European. So what about the rest. And at what point does "European" get so old and so diluted that it doesn't count. By your logic we are almost all Indo-Aryan. Or even African.

I have no ties to Europe. I and all my forebears that I ever met , back to my great-great-grandmother were born in this country, never could remember anything but New Zealand and being a New Zealander. I am NOT European.

You say you are Welsh, but by your logic you're not - sometime hundreds of years ago your ancestors came to what is now called Wales. Do you call yourself "whatever it was they came from" ?

[Biff]

So what if your ancestors were Spanish. And English . And Maori. And North American. And Scots. And German. And Punjabi.

There's an tickie box thing aptly entitled "Other" so I hear.

And you have to go back 7 generations and 200 odd years to NOT be a New Zealander.

Hmmm. Twas a mere 18 months ago that I wasn't a New Zealander - I was Welsh. Still am I think. I'm sure even my kids, kids would recognise this historical fact.

And then. maybe, even accept the fact that they were descended from European stock.
Indo-Aryan. Or even African.

Pahh, modern politics. I'm a Pangean kinda guy.

I have no ties to Europe. I and all my forebears that I ever met , back to my great-great-grandmother were born in this country, never could remember anything but New Zealand and being a New Zealander. I am NOT European.

Denial eh?

You say you are Welsh, but by your logic you're not - sometime hundreds of years ago your ancestors came to what is now called Wales.

Yup - and it's in Europe.

[Oakie]

Let's play state the freaking obvious shall we?

You are a New Zealand - European if your ancestors were European. Fact. So face it. Tick the freakin box FFS.

Your family's history didn't begin when they first stepped foot on these shores, irrespective of your ethnicity. Your family's lineagae goes back a long, long way.

So perhaps all Maoris should tick the Pacific Islander box as that's where they came from 1000 odd years ago (or South America or China depending on which other theories you listen to)

[Zed]

>On the 2006 NZ Census form, when you are asked for your ethnicity, choose the option “Other” and state your ethnicity as “New Zealander”

What an outrage that it isn't at the top of the list like it should be! Not logical or reasonable.

[myvice]

Born here, Kiwi/New Zealander and proud of it!

[Lias]

Other -> White New Zealander

[TwoSeven]

They should use ethnicity as well as 'new zealander' because there are quite a few services that need to be tailored for differernt people (health stuff for example).

So I think it should be Maori New Zealander, Chinese New Zealander, French New Zealander, English New Zealander, Tongan New Zealander and Pakeha NZer for the politically correct way of saying white NZr (people born here).

How you choose which one is done the normal way.

Personally I think it allows everyone to call themselves New Zealanders and also allow people to celibrate their own cultures - something that kiwis dont seem to take into consideration.

[MisterD]

If it was really about ethnicity the list would be Caucasian, Polynesian, Melanesian etc etc. But it's not, it's about PC bollocks.

[TwoSeven]

Wikipedia:
An ethnic group is a group of people who identify with one another, or are so identified by others, on the basis of a boundary that distinguishes them from other groups. This boundary may take any of a number of forms -- racial, cultural, linguistic, economic, religious, political -- and may be more or less porous. Because of this boundary, members of an ethnic group are often presumed to be culturally or biologically similar, although this is not in fact necessarily the case.

Calling someone a caucasion would include about 1/4 of the planet, Polynesian would include half of the pacific. I dont think that would be a good ethnic classification.