200 + o.k who was it !!

[duckman]

Oh! and before any of the PC queens jump back in with the "now, now, don't be like that", this is a heater discussion, not a verbal bitch-fight. I'll still love you guys in the morning!

Fazer Bloke

Awwww Fazer Bloke .... It's nice to know you care

[wkid_one]

this is a heater discussion,

Fuck - I thought we were talking about speeding.

Oh well here goes - I prefer the Air Con/Heating units as they are better both in summer and winter. We just had one installed - a bit pricey - but worth the money

[wkid_one]

If you refute that, your a bloody liar!, or a pussy rider!.

Or a responsible rider. Talk for yourself - as hand on heart - I leave my speeding to where I am likely to kill myself only. Any hero can speed in a residential street. But 120kph - come on - talk about excessive. 60-70kph - yes slip of the hand - 120 - fuck off - intentional hooliganism.....

[merv]

Or a responsible rider. Talk for yourself - as hand on heart - I leave my speeding to where I am likely to kill myself only.

So highsiding on the 'tukas there was absolutely no chance your bike might have hit an innocent going the other way? Yeah right!!!

[wkid_one]

So highsiding on the 'tukas there was absolutely no chance your bike might have hit an innocent going the other way? Yeah right!!!

To comment on this from a factual perspective Merv - I was well under the speed limit - in fact doing 70kph max - and I hit diesel - hardly a comparison to what we are talking about.

I was not being an idiot at the time, was well within the limits of the law (hence I got no conviction/fine etc when questioned by the law), within the limits of the conditions - apart from not spying the diesel.

Are we not talking about people being idiots on the road? This was purely a mishap rather than as a result of 'boy-racerism' on the road.

If you are going to make comparisons - at least get your facts right and compare apples with apples...this was just a pointless, aimless and ill-informed dig. Read the whole thread - get the gist of it - them comment - and you may have something intelligent to contribute.

Back to the thread

I am making reference to people taking stupid risks with other peoples lives. Yes, speeding on the open road is dangerous - however people expect you to be travelling fast here. In a residential street - people do not expect you to be travelling at 120kph.

On the open road - you are less likely to encounter random children crossing the road on a whim or fancy. Open road are designed to be travelled faster along. There are limited schools, kindergartens, diaries, house driveways etc on the open road for this very reason. Residential streets are not designed for speed.

Don't compare speeding on the open road with residential streets. Yes - speeding on the open roads is stupid ra ra ra....however you are 'generally' toying with your own life. I tended to speed in situations where I wasn't surrounded by other traffic - as it appears do most riders on here.

Yes, I hit some high terminal velocities - however, as most of the people who have ridden with me will attest - my average speed on the open road is only 120-130max - I prefer corners rather than speed. When I did let the throttle out - it was on extremely deserted back roads....like the Flood Gates at East West Access where you can see for Africa.

Yes - there is still a possibility of killing someone else other than yourself on the open road when speeding - however - these chances increase exponentially when you do it in a residential street as it is all about expected behaviour. People act on the basis of what they expect other people to be doing - we make assumptions.

There is NOTHING cool about speeding in residential streets.....anyone can do it. You are not a hero for doing it, nor are you anything special - in fact the contrary.

As per the comments from Festus. I disagree entirely - it takes a smart rider to pick the situations to speed - it is about license and life preservation. Why say you are not ashamed about speeding in a residential area. All this proves is you are no better than the 'boy racers' we are whinging about in another thread - just on 2 wheels instead of 4.

Way to go.....

[wkid_one]

wicked_one, how would you feel if you had been injured as a kid, say as a passenger in a car that was hit by a car/bike being driven/ridden well over the open road speed limit that lost control or ran wide around a corner etc?

I think if you get pissed with speeding in residential areas, you should get as pissed with the same thing on the open road.

Fucken oath I would be pissed. Damn skippy no question.

• Running wide around a corner - I would be pissed yes as obviously the rider/driver was well outside their limits.
• Well outside the legal road limit - I would be pissed - because they were obviously careless enough to either get outside their skill level - or chose the wrong situation - or both.

A question for you......if you are driving a car - you are on the road knowing all the risks? You will see things happen and generally have some chance to react/avoid/minimise.

However - if you are a kid, in a residential street - you don't know the road rules - and more often than not - depend on the driver/rider to avoid YOU. Also - you as a 3 year old kid are used to seeing cars travelling at 50kph - so you gauge when to cross on this basis - you don't expect traffic to be travelling at 120kph. How good are you are avoiding objects at 120kph? You wouldn't even be able to move 1m to the side in time.

Look at the accidents in NZ caused to Pedestrians - and caused at intersections - and tell me it is safe to speed in 50kph zones.

You would be a fucken idiot to do it.....we always talk about peoples inability to drive properly - look at the NZ Drivers Challenge - the public got less than 50%. You want to condone speeding where these people have hundreds of driveways and intersections where you can 'interact' with them.

More luck to you - my only hope if the theory of Darwinism will come in to affect and clense the gene pool a little further

[dangerous]

Fact ..... In 2003 more pedestrians were killed than motorcycles.....My question is why dont they pay the high ACC fees????

[jimbo600]

Beacause it's easier to piss off the minority motorists. Less flack for the idiots in the beehive.

[Lou Girardin]

To comment on this from a factual perspective Merv - I was well under the speed limit - in fact doing 70kph max - and I hit diesel - hardly a comparison to what we are talking about.
.....

Strictly speaking, you were breaking the law. Unable to stop in the clear distance of road ahead. Stupid law, designed as a catch all. But there you go.
Lou

[wkid_one]

Strictly speaking, you were breaking the law. Unable to stop in the clear distance of road ahead. Stupid law, designed as a catch all. But there you go.
Lou

Nope - technically I wasn't - the cop acknowledged the diesel on the road - and I was exonerated from fault of the accident.

[festus]

First wkid one!, No one here is condoning 120k in a 50k zone!, I stated I’m not ashamed to admit I’ve done this speed before!. The likes of yourself and others jump up & down, abuse and shoot off at the mouth your disgust knowing full bloody well you’ve been there and done that!.
Second, the old “diesel” excuse!. Wkid One was not within the limits of your riding skills by the sounds of it dude!. Best you keep to the speed limit on the open road too mate!.
You brag about your fearlessness on the open road when it comes to access speed, so in my opinion contradict everything you’ve said. What difference is 170+ on the open road in comparison to 120 in a 50k zone!. None!. Some will say 170+ on the open road is acting like an idiot too mate!!.
I can’t get over the fact you deny doing excessive speeds in a city street dude!. Unless you have an “L” plate or haven’t been riding for long?, or maybe it’s because you have’nt owned a decent bike yet?. Get off your high horse man!. I don’t condone it, my argument is I’ve done it!, and so has almost everybody else here (with the exception of you apparently)!.

[wkid_one]

First wkid one!, No one here is condoning 120k in a 50k zone!, I stated I’m not ashamed to admit I’ve done this speed before!. The likes of yourself and others jump up & down, abuse and shoot off at the mouth your disgust knowing full bloody well you’ve been there and done that!.
Second, the old “diesel” excuse!. Wkid One was not within the limits of your riding skills by the sounds of it dude!. Best you keep to the speed limit on the open road too mate!.
You brag about your fearlessness on the open road when it comes to access speed, so in my opinion contradict everything you’ve said. What difference is 170+ on the open road in comparison to 120 in a 50k zone!. None!. Some will say 170+ on the open road is acting like an idiot too mate!!.
I can’t get over the fact you deny doing excessive speeds in a city street dude!. Unless you have an “L” plate or haven’t been riding for long?, or maybe it’s because you have’nt owned a decent bike yet?. Get off your high horse man!. I don’t condone it, my argument is I’ve done it!, and so has almost everybody else here (with the exception of you apparently)!.

Oh sorry oh speeding god...you are righteous and i am a mere sinner.....

You are soooo right......but who cares....

As I said and will keep saying - you are a fuckwit for speeding in a residential zone. No I am not on an L Plate and I owned an R1. The difference is - I had will power rather than some boyish ideal about biking in built up areas.

Line up a bunch of non-riders and ask em what is worse...120 in a 50zone, or 170 on the open road - the answer is moot because we all know what the answer will be....

I have never said speeding on the open road is safe or not being an idiot - read my thread about my terminal velocity - I even commented that it was idiotic. I am saying speeding in a 50zone is stupidly unsafe.

As for the diesel - do you want pictures - I have heaps....I have a police report confirming the diesel - I don't seem to recall you were there tho?? Strange - obivously talking out a hole in your **** here trying to take a personal dig.

Keep being a hero Festus - AS JR said in the Boyracer thread --- you are doing wonders to enhance the negative image of bikers...you are also supporting all the positive action the government is taking about speeding. Bravo you are my hero ( note: this is dripping with sarcasm and followed by cock said under my breathe)

[merv]

Man you're touchy Wkid.

Remember this?

-and I can't make myself the promise that I will ride safely, it is my nature to push the limits - this time I pushed too far and got away with it, next time who knows.  I knew it was going to happen and made a pact with myself that I would give up if it was serious and I class lying on a CT Tray serious enuf.   If I do get back in to bikes it will be strictly at the track - if at all.  I enjoyed it while it lasted - time for a new challenge.

The scary thing is that I wasn't even pushing the bike - people that have ridden with me up the hill will attest I normally ride up there at 11/10ths.  I was doodling up the hill and still came a cropper......I was honestly luck I had my knee down to a degree - coz had I lower sided I would have slid straight into the oncoming traffic.  All I remember is the bike sliding and thinking - FARKKKKKKKKK keep the throttle open.

Normally riding 11/10ths and treating it as a challenge, I guess the rest of us should be pleased you retired from higwhay use.

[wkid_one]

This is all offtopic - skip if you don't want to read

Yup I do remember that. I even referred to the fact my accident was not at speed, nor pushing the bike.

Critical to this is the wording - limits. I have always said I pushed my limits - in order to improve my riding....this is relative to myself however - not the law. 11/10th refers to my boundaries....not the law....I can be at 11/10 going around a 30kph right hander at 40.....coz I hate right handers. I can be at 11/10 going 5m past my normal braking point. Doesn't mean I am being illegal....

I will continue to push my limits on the racebike - I gave up road riding as this is a more controlled situation to do it.

Is this not the sensible thing to do - realise you are at risk - and go to a more controlled situation/area to do what you want to do???? I am not practising what I preach here....if you want to speed - go to a track....I am doing this.

My only point has been - speeding in a 50 zone is stupidly blindly and recklessly unwarranted. Yes I rode hard......but very few kids/pets/reversing cars/people crossing the road????

[festus]

Wkid, it sounds like your horse bucked you off, and you haven't got the balls to get back on. Best you keep venting your frustration on this website eh!.