Boy-racers

[Jackrat]

It isn't the owning of the cars that people complain about, its the behaviour of the people driving them. Maybe many of us did the same thing in our Anglias, Escorts, Vauxhaulls etc but look at what the kids are driving now, more or less racing cars. The roads are pretty much the same as they were 20 years ago, theres a hell of a lot more traffic on the roads and residential areas are jam packed with houses full of people. The main difference is the ready availability of performence cars to young and inexperienced drivers with bad attitudes along with more heavily populated residential areas.

And the natural progression in attitudes will have todays "boy racers" whinging about the same shit when they are 30 something and have a young family because they won't want to see their kids as a hood ornament either.

By the way I started riding bikes at 15 because I couldn't afford a car.

Yes, your perfectly correct but to constantly hear a group of bike riders,Probably the fastest and most irresponsible road users out there jumping on every band wagon that don't include themselfs, just gets a bit thin after a while.It's like these prats that reckon they don't speed in residentual areas but then choose to speed safly on the open road.All starts to sound a bit self serving after a while.I come to this site for info and entertainment,not to listen to a group of people that have the worse road user record in the country puting shit on others.

[spudchucka]

Yes, your perfectly correct but to constantly hear a group of bike riders,Probably the fastest and most irresponsible road users out there jumping on every band wagon that don't include themselfs, just gets a bit thin after a while.It's like these prats that reckon they don't speed in residentual areas but then choose to speed safly on the open road.All starts to sound a bit self serving after a while.I come to this site for info and entertainment,not to listen to a group of people that have the worse road user record in the country puting shit on others.

An idiot on the road is an idiot full stop, regardless of what you drive, bike / car, whatever.

I can't agree that bikers are the fastest and most irresponsible road users. Certainly the potential is there but if all bikers rode around behaving like some of the boy racers do there would be very few of us left, cos they would all be six foot under.

In my experience most long term bikers are responsible and aware as road users. This is because after spending any reasonable length of time riding bikes you become, by necessity, a very defensive driver. Its how you susrvive on the road. The idiots tend to sort themselves out through natural attrition.

The fact that these sort of topics continue to surface on this forum suggests that the members generally feel strongly about the issue.

[Jackrat]

Any topic that gives people a chance to have a go at others keeps poping up on this site,as you of all people should know seeing as how you have been the target more than once.Go to any car only site and you will see the same self serving comments,but it will be you/us they are talking about.The world is full of EX bikers that didn't have the personal restraint to become good or long term at it,See Mr Wikid for a perfect example of this.
I take part in 3-4 organised rides each year,the last one I went on had around thirty-forty riders all going hard out,I hope these arn't the responsible riders your talking about.Returning from a race meeting resently I was passed by half a dozen sports bike riders all doing 200+kms,I hope they arn't the responsible riders your talking about,My own club puts on the 1000mile challenge,Even tho' we plead with the riders taking part to keep the speeds down we still have grieff with the the law because some assholes can't listen or show respect to either the club or other road users.Last year we had a couple of hero's run from the law and get away with it,The club took shit over that,next year I WILL give them up on the spot plus ban them from ever taking part in one of our events ever again,hope their not your responsible riders.Sit on the side of the road some day and watch the traffic,you will see that most if not all the bikers you see will be speeding.But then you already knew that aye.Iv'e personly known six riders that have died riding their bikes and untold others that have hurt themselfs badly,mostly single vehicule crashes.Every biker I know bar one has a dirty licence.Read this site and even the most sensible riders here talk about their last yarn with the law or are busy bitching about the last ticket they got.
I compear that with my own nephews,none of whom have had so much as a warning,yet they are suppossed to be boy racers, and it's them that I look to when ever this Boyracer subject comes up.Next to them a lot of the people on this site should hang their heads in shame,not point the finger.
And yeah it pisses me off no end that because they drive cars that they have done up they are labeled BOYRACER.
I also find it quite funny you say ALL bikers and then say SOME boyracers.
Being a bit selective there I'd say.Truth be known some bike riders do carry on like some boyracers.Just read this site, they brag about it .Donuts,wheel stands,stoppies,draging off fast cars,lane spiliting at speed,And then the same people point the finger at so called boyracers.Shit talk about two faced.Also the latest incident to have the boyracer tag hung off it,did not involve a kid.Rather a middle aged wanker in a fast car.
I don't belive for one second that most of the responce to this thread has been honest.Just people trying to pass the buck and feel good doing it.

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[spudchucka]

Any topic that gives people a chance to have a go at others keep poping up on this site,as you of all people should know.Go to any car only site and you will see the same self serving comments,but it will be you/us they are talking about.The world is full of EX bikers that didn't have the personal restraint to become good or long term at it,See Mr Wikid for a perfect example of this.
I take part in 3-4 organised rides each year and it's the riding of others that stops me from taking part in more.Sit on the side of the road some day and watch the traffic,you will see that most if not all the bikers you see will be speeding.Iv'e personly known six riders that have died riding their bikes and untold others that have hurt themselfs badly,mostly single vehicule crashes.

people that live in class houses shouldn't throw stones.

The same group of guys I started riding with are still at it, no fatalities, no serious injuries. I won't ride with someone I don't know because I aren't familiar with their riding style and I don't participate in organised rides for the same reason.

I didn't join this forum to have a go at people but if I see what I believe to be BS I'll say so. I don't personally care if people ride bikes or drive cars or ride horses for that matter. What pisses me off about boy racers and idiots on bikes for that matter is that they place so much unnecessary risk on others through their behaviour. The fact is that there are a lot more idiots in cars than there are on bikes and they tend to piss more people off because there are more of them.

[Drunken Monkey]

Gotta agree with JackRat and Wkid here (again? I must be feeling ill)...



Seems like a bit of hypocritical feelings being misplaced around here. I don't beleive you anti-boy-racer types are model citizens on the road for a second. Instead of lowering ourselves to finger pointing, maybe we could work on improving ourselves in a more productive way?

Check your demographic and think about your rant before you post it - you may be winding up a lot more people here than you intend (I mean 'your/s' in the 'royal' sense)...There are plenty of KBers who like their cages too, and some of them like 'em with fat phat mags and BOVs...

[spudchucka]

I take part in 3-4 organised rides each year,the last one I went on had around thirty-forty riders all going hard out,I hope these arn't the responsible riders your talking about.Returning from a race meeting resently I was passed by half a dozen sports bike riders all doing 200+kms,I hope they arn't the responsible riders your talking about,My own club puts on the 1000mile challenge,Even tho' we plead with the riders taking part to keep the speeds down we still have grieff the the law because some assholes can't listen or show respect to either the club or other road users.Last year we had a couple of hero's run from the law and get away with it,The club took shit over that,next year I WILL give them up on the spot plus ban them from ever taking part in one of our events ever again,hope their not your responsible riders.Sit on the side of the road some day and watch the traffic,you will see that most if not all the bikers you see will be speeding.But then you already knew that aye.

Thats not fair, editing your post while I was in the middle of replying.

No they aren't the responsible riders I was talking about. They are the dorks that make insuring a motorcycle next to impossible. They are the fools that tar all bikers with their same dirty brush. They are the idiots that I have mentioned in my previous posts regarding this issue. Why don't you just kick the little pricks out of your club and be more selective as to who joins and participates.

[Jackrat]

Thats not fair, editing your post while I was in the middle of replying.

No they aren't the responsible riders I was talking about. They are the dorks that make insuring a motorcycle next to impossible. They are the fools that tar all bikers with their same dirty brush. They are the idiots that I have mentioned in my previous posts regarding this issue. Why don't you just kick the little pricks out of your club and be more selective as to who joins and participates.

Hmmm' Sorry about that,I was trying to get a point across and not doing a very good job of it.I guess at the end of the day it just depends on which side of the fence you are looking from.I look at it from the side that has half a dozen young guys that don't muck up even if they do drive stupid looking cars.As far as the club goes,we do not put up with much but we can't vet every rider that signs up.A number of people have been banned from our rides in the past,Mainly for outstanding acts of stupidity.The only reason the last couple got away with it was because I never heard about it until way after the fact.The thing that pisses me off most is that none of the club members take part in the ride because we are all busy running the show,yet when somebody mucks up it is us that the law comes after.Not much we can do about that but it's still very annoying anyway.Some times I wonder if it's a very good idea wearing my club badge around Taupo-Turangi because there are a couple of very upset cops down that way that would probably like a chance to have a go at one of our members due to what was done last year.
I can just see me geting the book thrown at me because of what somebody else did.I know that the boyracer problem is out there but I see more stupid acts by bikers because I take more notice of them.All the others are just cars in general to me.I also am very selective of who I ride with and for much the same reasons as you,unfortunatly I seem to have known a lot of losers that would have been better off in a car.

[Angry Puppy]

Hmmmm some interesting points. Here's my reply to some of them (sorry I can't be bothered to do a quote for each of them);

- Coro' street? Man that hurts! :-)
- Yes Boy Racers is a gross generalisation, 'cause women and us 'old folks' can be boy racers too. I mean, just look at the Fast and the ludicrous. Vin aint no spring chicken!
-Yes we were young once, and yes I too spent a small fortune doing up my first car (a '73 Beetle, lowered and restored California style)
-No, this generalisation isn't targeted at all young people, but here's some more generalisation for you - Young people are less likely to drink and drive than us old folks because they are more aware of how socialy unacceptable it is. Young people probably have better knowledge of the road code than old folks because they studied it more recently and they studied a more recent edition.
-Yes we have all done stupid things in our time. the ability to recognise and take responsibility for our actions comes with maturity, not age. some mature sooner than others.
-Yes the young do tend to take more risks as life's experiences have yet to teach them that thing called mortality.
-You come here for entertainment and information? we all do, it's just what we find entertaining that differs. can't beat a good debate/slanging match!

Cheers guys

Fazer Bloke

Feel the love!

[Angry Puppy]

Oh, and another thing, In the UK, when you pass your restricted test (as opposed to Direct Access AKA get to ride anything, you mad bastard!) you are limited to a certain BHP (i.e. you could ride a gixer1100, but you'd probably get imbarased by the first 250 that leaves you for dust), or whatever it is in decimal stuff. Why not do it with cars and bikes?

Fazer Bloke

[wkid_one]

The world is full of EX bikers that didn't have the personal restraint to become good or long term at it,See Mr Wikid for a perfect example of this.

A grossly ill-informed dig here that I have to put straight - I have only given up road riding - BECAUSE I was pushing the limits too much and beyond safe road riding. I saw that, given the legal and safety issues (to myself and others) - I am far safer getting my jollies on a track.

Rather than because I 'didn't have the restraint to become good' - I choose to explore a more suitable outlet to get what I want out of biking. I am not happy with just tootling along and I don't feel that I could ride on the road with a clear conscience or get the enjoyment out of riding that I want.

Is this not the point of this thread in the first place - choose the appropriate medium in which to get what you want out of biking/driving .

Next summer season will see me on the track as some are already aware....

[wkid_one]

Like Wikid said,Kids have been doing it for years,and as far as I'm concerned very few on this site have any right to be puting them down for it.
Same old shit different day,It will be some other shit tomorrow,what ever jerks the public string.Bikers slagging off others for going to fast.What a joke.
Most of my own nephews own done up cars and would be called boy racers by all you fuddy duddys,Thing is they are just young guys doing what we have always done.Seems to me a lot of you old folks just like to paint every one with the same brush.How the hell did most of you lot become bikers anyway.Oh thats right your different yeah??You only brake the law in a safe manner yeah??Bunch of OLD hipocrites whinging about the youth of today,Your no better than those that put bikers down,Seems like every kid with a car gets this boy racer label if he fucks up an parks it,Whats your next trendy word going to be.I know let's label all these sports bike riders with a trendy name,They must be a danger to civilisation as we know it,yeah I say ban the fuckers for their own good.I won't miss em' and the roads will be a safer place.
Ya' make me want to come an do a burn out on ya' front lawn.

I agree 100% with this post.

I have done wheelies, stoppies, dragged my knee, done a burnout, done a handbrake turn, spun the car out, dragged another vehicle, ridden on the bonnet of a car etc etc - why the hell am I going to criticise boy racers because they haven't learnt the lessons that I have.

A would guess that as a demographic - as a proportion of the total riders out there, bikers have a higher percentage that break the law compared to any other driving group out there.

[White trash]

Boy racers seems to me to be a term used all to freely these days.

These are just young car enthusiasts doing what they've allways done. Technology now has moved on from when most of us were kids.

I remember my dad did up a '38 Chev with all the period shit and was labeled a hoon. I had a couple of hot Chargers and a Torana and was picked on consistantly by the 5-Oh.

It's more accessible for the young guys and girls today so there's a hell of a lot more of it. As a result there's also more idiots amongst them although the percentage hasn't changed.

I cruise out to their hangouts on the bike in the evenings to see whats new and my brother drifts an R32 Skyline quite well at the track.

I just wish the small percentage of dickheads amongst them would see that their actions are spoiling an otherwise harmless hobby. Hence the box of sparkplugs at the gate!

[SPman]

I just wish the small percentage of dickheads amongst them would see that their actions are spoiling an otherwise harmless hobby. Hence the box of sparkplugs at the gate!

As always...!

[Motu]

Also the guys who would be riding bikes are now doing the car bit instead,helps put the numbers up,takes the heat off bikes.

What are the sparkplugs for?....a mate of mine and his neighbour keep a small pile of rocks at their gates - when the boy racers do their bit they race outside at 3 o'clock yelling and screaming,throw rocks and attack the cars with 2x2s.I'ts real petty he knows,but he kinda enjoys it - specially when some kids jump out and say...hey,you can't do that you old farts!....oh yeah,watch this!

[White trash]

Also the guys who would be riding bikes are now doing the car bit instead,helps put the numbers up,takes the heat off bikes.

What are the sparkplugs for?....a mate of mine and his neighbour keep a small pile of rocks at their gates - when the boy racers do their bit they race outside at 3 o'clock yelling and screaming,throw rocks and attack the cars with 2x2s.I'ts real petty he knows,but he kinda enjoys it - specially when some kids jump out and say...hey,you can't do that you old farts!....oh yeah,watch this!

Chucking at cars. What else? They do more damage than rocks and if you're a good enough shot and get a window.........Holy shit!

Word to newbie spark plug chuckers, only shoot for the drivers side 'cause you don't want to hit an innocent passenger.

Of the 9 maybe 10 cars I've hit, not one of the chicken shit little pricks has stopped and had a go at me about it. :spudwhat: