Boy-racers

[750Y]

"BOY RACER"
A convenient label, which becomes the vehicle for a raft of issues.
actually, the label, I find patronising and negatively stereotypical from a male perspective. much like the term 'adrenalin junkie' which is used by ignorant couch sitters to describe people who are brave enough to step outside their shortland street comfor zone and experience life & the reality of their own mortality.
it's just another case of finger pointing for the lazy.

[spudchucka]

Whats really shocking is not only (according to avgas) are the pursuit cars standard, but the penelties or should I say lack of for those caught. You will never completely stop all the runners. What NZ needs more than reviewing pursuit guidelines is cracking down and start to dish out HUGE penelties for fleeing or attempted fleeing. There also needs to be law changes that your car is registered to YOUR HOME address ONLY, unless it is a business vehicle. No postal boxes.

Given a choice of a paultry couple hundred fine or long jail time, loss of vehicle (crushed), driving liscene (min 1 year) most will choose not to run and take the small fine for the initial infraction.
Think about it. If attempt to flee and you're looking at a host of charges tacked on top of what the initial reason for the stop it may deter most of the runners. As a hypithetical example.

Lets say like this numbnuts in the GTO recently that killed himself, you're in an off limits area. You get pulled up on it. The maximum fine is say even $300. Ok on the flip side if you do a runner. Now the police would have had his plate so they would know who it is anyways. Not withstanding the other tickets you will be hit with for excessive speeds, failure to stop at stop signs, lights, changing lanes without signaling etc, you tack on the attempt flee and elude charge. Breaking it down with some realistic numbers that are used in the States as only examples.

Initial offense - $300
Atempt flee and elude - $3,000 + 1 year in jail, car crushed, loss of licsene min 1 year.
Speeding over 160kmh - $2,000 + upto 6months in jail, loss of lisc upto 1 year, car crushed.
Reckless endangerment - (same as above with passenger, or 100kmh over the posted limit) - $2,000 + upto 1 year jail, loss of lisc upto 5 years, car crushed.
5 counts of failure to stop at a signal - $250 fine per offense
Unsave change of lanes (10 off) - $150 per offense

Add those up for one attemptted fleeing offense as they would be combined. I think I would rather take the initial offense thank you.

The police are trying to do thier jobs. I personally see no reason that they should have to abandon unless the situation really warrents it, backing off maybe to lul the guy into a false sense of security and picking him/her up later in the persuit may be an option. Giving up isn't.

On the NZ pursuit or Hiway patrol cars, there is no excuse why these cars are or should be standard. They should be anythng but that! I do remember reading or hearing (maybe on the News) the cost of one of these cars. Honestly Holden or Ford should be donig special deals just so their cars are used. It dumbfounds me when I hear these things it really does. Avgas raises a very disturbing comment in the lack of viable driving or pursuit skills. If it is really that bad then the NZ government and police training schools seriously need to address this. In is current form as discribed by Avgas then in all honesty the police shouldn't even be allowed to drive a patrol cat let alone partake in any form of pursuit.

Sorry about the long quote but after reading through this thread i decided to go to a performance car forum to see what they are saying on the issue.

The above post is located at this URL: http://forums.performancecar.co.nz/p...ic.php?t=26383

I find it interesting that the very people who drive performance cars, (ie: Car Enthusiats) also hate "boy racers" and people that do the runner from the cops, no doubt because they hate the stigma taht rubs off on them.

This leads me to conclude that a boy racer is someone who participates in anti social & dangerous driving behaviour, not necessarily someone who drives a performance car or motorcycle.

The key point is that it is the behaviour that is frowned upon, not the means or method used to participate in that behaviour.

[Motu]

I was hoping someone would go to that much effort Spudchuka,too lazy myself...and that's what I expected to find too.

White trash - my mate says they usualy take off as he comes flying out the door - one time they had a go at him and he pushed the little prick over...''hey,you can't do that to me old man!'' so he did it again and they went away.If they went half a km up the road it would be no problem,but no,his house is close to the surfclub,they need to be seen,y'know.

[White trash]

Great to see vigilantes are alive and kicking everywhere!

I'll buy your mate a beer should I ever get the chance. (I don't think I'll drop a burnout outside his house though!)

[Motu]

Hey,he's no angel y'know...he'd love to see a tyre popping burnout - when he's awake!

[mangell6]

Question: If the Government makes the law, the Police catch those that break the law, who is it that assigns the penalties????

[Jackrat]

Time for another go.
During the seventys if you rode a british bike the cops around my area treated you like shit.This was due to the actions of the angels,61, and other such shitheads that were very active at the time.
Now the lastest group to cop the same bullshit for the same reasons and from the same people,are so called boy racers.Nothing much changes does it.
What is it about NZ that the press label some small group of assholes and as a result a whole section of society gets shit on by the rest.You lot want to be very carefull that you arn't next on the list.
I can see large sports bikes being nailed for what they are, an then it's your turn.You lot that talk about the cars available to young guys should take a long slow look at yourselfs,The same thing could be said about you and it would be true.Try telling joe blogs who has been brain washed by our press and police machine that you have a need for a 100+hp bike and see how far you get.Think about that next time you pop a wheel stand on a public road.
You may think it is harmlesss and nobody but you gets hurt if it goes wrong.
But remember the thing that seems to piss joe average off more than anything is burnouts an handbrakes were nobody gets hurt but somebody just don't like the noise or the smoke.Bikers today that ride sports bikes in the way they were designed on public roads are no more my type of people than those gang shits were in the seventys.But I know from past expereince that I will get painted with the brush they have helped prepare for me.Our cops simply arn't smart enough to tell the difference
I fully understand why so many cruiser bike riders dislike sports bikes,I hate the fucken things, because they are the biggist threat to riding in this country,if us bikers start to cop the type of shit that young guys in stupid looking cars do today it will be due to sports bike riders nobody else.Think about it,joe public now knows that gangsters are not motocyclists so they don't count anymore.So who does that leave.I see no difference between sports bike riders an so called boy racers,Fact is if you took their bikes away they would be boy racers.They do the same shit, they have the same head set, just on different machines is all.Our PC industry our Police and our Gov't are slowly but surely stealing more an more of our personal freedoms and helping to dump on one small section of society due to the actions of a few is just playing into their hands.I hope you all realise who's fault it really was when you can't do anything without big brothers say so.

See it's not nice when it's your turn is it.

[Motu]

Us dirt bikers are a good example of a group that shit in it's own nest - and I was one of them.... if anyone from Auckland goes for a walk on Mt Richmond they will be able to see what my brother and I,along with others did - we made MX tracks,rode in and out of kumara pits,up the crater walls and fortifications,the scars are still there today,and will be forever.We rode on any bit of vacant land,noisey 2 strokes - we were having fun and never even gave a thought to what we were doing or who we pissed off.It's a world wide thing - but we have less areas to ride as a result.Hindsight is a wonderfull thing - but we really had no idea back then,we were breaking new teritory - boy racers and as Jack says,sports bike riders can use our example to look ahead at cause and effect.

[wkid_one]

Time for another go.
During the seventys if you rode a british bike the cops around my area treated you like shit.This was due to the actions of the angels,61, and other such shitheads that were very active at the time.
Now the lastest group to cop the same bullshit for the same reasons and from the same people,are so called boy racers.Nothing much changes does it.
What is it about NZ that the press label some small group of assholes and as a result a whole section of society gets shit on by the rest.You lot want to be very carefull that you arn't next on the list.
I can see large sports bikes being nailed for what they are, an then it's your turn.You lot that talk about the cars available to young guys should take a long slow look at yourselfs,The same thing could be said about you and it would be true.Try telling joe blogs who has been brain washed by our press and police machine that you have a need for a 100+hp bike and see how far you get.Think about that next time you pop a wheel stand on a public road.
You may think it is harmlesss and nobody but you gets hurt if it goes wrong.
But remember the thing that seems to piss joe average off more than anything is burnouts an handbrakes were nobody gets hurt but somebody just don't like the noise or the smoke.Bikers today that ride sports bikes in the way they were designed on public roads are no more my type of people than those gang shits were in the seventys.But I know from past expereince that I will get painted with the brush they have helped prepare for me.Our cops simply arn't smart enough to tell the difference
I fully understand why so many cruiser bike riders dislike sports bikes,I hate the fucken things, because they are the biggist threat to riding in this country,if us bikers start to cop the type of shit that young guys in stupid looking cars do today it will be due to sports bike riders nobody else.Think about it,joe public now knows that gangsters are not motocyclists so they don't count anymore.So who does that leave.I see no difference between sports bike riders an so called boy racers,Fact is if you took their bikes away they would be boy racers.They do the same shit, they have the same head set, just on different machines is all.Our PC industry our Police and our Gov't are slowly but surely stealing more an more of our personal freedoms and helping to dump on one small section of society due to the actions of a few is just playing into their hands.I hope you all realise who's fault it really was when you can't do anything without big brothers say so.

See it's not nice when it's your turn is it.

Once again I agree. This is my point in the 200kph thread - many riders are just boy racers on 2 wheels. They chose the thrill of bikes versus cars. Also - many rider HAVE BEEN boy racers - just choosing a diff outlet now.

I won't disparage boy racers as I have been there - by definition. I owned a late model 4WD Turbo that I did up. I dragged it (on a track tho) and I took it to the track. I found secluded gravel roads to 'rally it on'........

Just remember - for all the stereotypical crap you spout about boy racers - are you living in the stereotypical bike rider image?

[White trash]

I fully understand why so many cruiser bike riders dislike sports bikes,I hate the fucken things, because they are the biggist threat to riding in this country,if us bikers start to cop the type of shit that young guys in stupid looking cars do today it will be due to sports bike riders nobody else.Think about it,joe public now knows that gangsters are not motocyclists so they don't count anymore.So who does that leave.I see no difference between sports bike riders an so called boy racers,Fact is if you took their bikes away they would be boy racers.They do the same shit, they have the same head set, just on different machines is all.Our PC industry our Police and our Gov't are slowly but surely stealing more an more of our personal freedoms and helping to dump on one small section of society due to the actions of a few is just playing into their hands.I hope you all realise who's fault it really was when you can't do anything without big brothers say so.

See it's not nice when it's your turn is it.

Sorry, I can't agree with this at all, Jackrat.

The difference is this. Most of the Sportsbike riders are getting up to hyjinks well away from the public eye. I spent Sunday afternoon on a GSX-R600K4 riding back and forth on the same 2kms of road getting my knee down for a photographer. Beautifull afternoon at a local lookout at the top of a scenic hill road.

After a while, a couple of family type cars turn up with Mr and Mrs average and their 2.5 kids aboard. Then some more.

Funnily enough (and to my surprise) no one was looking at the spectacular view. About 20 people (over half of them not on motorcycles) were having a ball just watching a guy on a sportsbike doing what guys on sportsbikes do. I did about five more runs than we needed just so all the cage drivers could get shots.

Now at 2am in the morning from my wife house, I can hear noisey fucken exhausts, wank off valves and squealing tyres as yet again a bunch of small penised youths race each other through suburban streets. Sure it's the middle of the night so the chances of hitting kids are minimal, but I like to sleep and apparently so does the rest of Wellington. I'd feel exactly the same if it was guys on bikes doing it, but it aint.

I think ANY motorcyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids and therefore wont make a public nusiance of themselves.

[Rocket]

heh i had a mint 79 LH torana with a 350 chev in it when i was 19, it had the works. was low as your grannies titties and sitting on nice 15inch 245 tyres on the read. thast bitch squatted so low and laid the biggst turd when i floored it every fucking 323 would be clearing the motorway for my ass. i reckon the only thing that saved me was that i couldnt even afford to drive it from auckland city to the bombay hills. that drop tank cost me about 130 bucks to fill up. god dam was it fun, soon as i am able to afford i am buying myself another street machine, but one that is like show condition. maybe a HK monaro of some time with a fresh 350 wid maybe just a few fat carbbies blastin a whole in the bonnet. and nice 4 thousand dollar bare metal 2 pot paint paint job with maybe just 6 coats of clear coat paint. Shine that sucker up nice and good. arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Jackrat]

Sorry, I can't agree with this at all, Jackrat.

The difference is this. Most of the Sportsbike riders are getting up to hyjinks well away from the public eye. I spent Sunday afternoon on a GSX-R600K4 riding back and forth on the same 2kms of road getting my knee down for a photographer. Beautifull afternoon at a local lookout at the top of a scenic hill road.

After a while, a couple of family type cars turn up with Mr and Mrs average and their 2.5 kids aboard. Then some more.

Funnily enough (and to my surprise) no one was looking at the spectacular view. About 20 people (over half of them not on motorcycles) were having a ball just watching a guy on a sportsbike doing what guys on sportsbikes do. I did about five more runs than we needed just so all the cage drivers could get shots.

Now at 2am in the morning from my wife house, I can hear noisey fucken exhausts, wank off valves and squealing tyres as yet again a bunch of small penised youths race each other through suburban streets. Sure it's the middle of the night so the chances of hitting kids are minimal, but I like to sleep and apparently so does the rest of Wellington. I'd feel exactly the same if it was guys on bikes doing it, but it aint.

I think ANY motorcyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids and therefore wont make a public nusiance of themselves.

Well the other three replys caught on to what I was about.
The same basic thing could be said about a lot of peoples past times but there will always be people like yourself that hide behind the IT WAS NOT ME method of reasoning,and ignore the issue because it is to close to home.Most of that yarn was just TIG to try to get a point across.
Your statement that ANY motocyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids is a pretty clear indercation to me that you probably live on a different planet to me And don't read some of the shit posted on this site.I have never been passed by any boy racer at 200+kms but living close to puke' means I have it happen on a regular basis by SB riders.You can bet your ass the six sport bike riders that passed me at 200+kms on the way back from puke' a few weeks ago were noticed by far less understanding people than me.The main road between Puke' and Papakura is certainly not out of the public eye, it is right in it and yes we are looking,I hope they wasn't your idea of nouse.Or the fuck wit I see reguarly poping wheel stands on his R1 up the NW motoway.That also is not out of the public eye.The dick head on the Triumph who killed the girl up at Whangarei lived about two kms up the road from me,We used to have to put up with him and his sports bike riding mates howling up our road every bloody day,You want to tell me all about his nouse.
I hope not because he painted all of us with a pretty shitty brush didn't he?Or what about the two sports bike riding bastards that bought the coppers down on my club last year.Are they also your idea of nouse.Of course not aye,All of those guys are just a few dick heads out of a large group of top of the line people but they have the potentual to fuck it for all of us if we are treated in the same way as boyracers.
Like I said,It's not nice when it's our turn is it?
Next week I will start on URBAN(like the way I covered my own ass there?)4X4 Drivers.
Now try reading between the lines with both eyes open.

[Jackrat]

heh i had a mint 79 LH torana with a 350 chev in it when i was 19, it had the works. was low as your grannies titties and sitting on nice 15inch 245 tyres on the read. thast bitch squatted so low and laid the biggst turd when i floored it every fucking 323 would be clearing the motorway for my ass. i reckon the only thing that saved me was that i couldnt even afford to drive it from auckland city to the bombay hills. that drop tank cost me about 130 bucks to fill up. god dam was it fun, soon as i am able to afford i am buying myself another street machine, but one that is like show condition. maybe a HK monaro of some time with a fresh 350 wid maybe just a few fat carbbies blastin a whole in the bonnet. and nice 4 thousand dollar bare metal 2 pot paint paint job with maybe just 6 coats of clear coat paint. Shine that sucker up nice and good. arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Val chargers eat GM for brekky,RT Rules

[wkid_one]

I think ANY motorcyclist has more nouse than the majority of these kids and therefore wont make a public nusiance of themselves.

I agree in part with this comment. I too, when looking for jollies, looked for the most secluded, barren section of road I could find.

HOWEVER - with motorcyclists it is not only about other peoples safety tho is it? It is more a selfish desire to protect yourself (from accident and the law).

I see exactly what JR is saying - bikers are most likely in fact worse than boy racers. Bikes serve a very narrow purpose as opposed to cars. As a segment of the population - we as riders are more likely to incur more 'infringements' against the law than car drivers.

Unfortunately - things like car stereos, blow off valves (don't get me started on these - as 99% of the boy racers who use them are wasting half of their use by not re-porting them to keep the turbo spinning and reducing lag - whereas by releasing all the air to the atmosphere, yes you get a nice whoosing noise - but create more lag then ever in the turbo) - aren't illegal (yet).

What about after market pipes on bikes??? My Scorpians on the VTR hurt peoples ears when I opened the throttle and they were riding beside me. I felt guilty riding my bike home at 10pm at night or idling it in the morning to warm in up......how does this differ from loud cars?

I think you will find in the eyes of the public we aren't as a group placed in an overly different 'pool' than boy racers. We suffer exactly the same stereotypes. How many people look at bike riders and mutter 'temporary citizen'.

[wkid_one]

After a while, a couple of family type cars turn up with Mr and Mrs average and their 2.5 kids aboard.

I feel sorry for them - was it Thalylamide?